Bloody 'ell. Why can't people discuss this without calling each other names and getting all upset?

There is no right and wrong answer at this time, so no-one can claim superiority. And calling people names (and union troll?! WTF?) doesn't improve your argument. In fact, if anything, it makes you seem desperate and hinders it.

you are steve McNamarra and i,at this moment in time,claim my £5

You and Dally are both full of e, he will not say where he is from because it will expose his bull persona and i have you down for either Mount Druitt or Cambelltown

I'm Australian and I work for an NRL side.

I am Australian and I work with and sponsor several Clubs and Coaches in the Brisbane area.

I am Russel Crowe and i own South Sydney so Kiss my Bow and Arrow !!!!

I am so Happy I am not a moderator......I wouldn't know whether move this threead to the NRL board, Move it to the Sin Bin or just lock it



Back on thread:

I do not pretend to know everything, but I do know enough to offer a reasoned debate.

In this instance, it is that I believe for a number of reasons, PNG should not be considered for an NRL team at any stage in the next 20 years.... minimum. These reasons include infastructure, crime and general lawlessness, poverty, illiteracy, lack of access to proper medical facilities and corruption in the Government to name but a few. I have no dobt that if these issues were addressed first, then PNG would provide a logical expansion area for the NRL and the game in General, but I do not accept the argument that putting an NRL team in PNG now would solve the issues with infastructure, crime and general lawlessness, poverty, illiteracy, lack of access to proper medical facilities and corruption in the Government to name but a few.

Well it is understandable that you wouldnt want an NRL team in PNG if someone had been selling it on the basis that it would solve infrastructure issues, crime, lawlessness, poverty, illiteracy, lack of access to proper medical facilities and corruption in Government, that clearly be silly.

However could it act as a rallying point of an RL mad nation? instill a bit of national pride in a fairly fractured nation? could it be used to help spread public health messages? and could PNG NRL players be used to spread positive messages about literacy? could it be used to provide positive role models for kids, helping them to avoid ever getting into criminal activity?

The answer to these questions are a clear and obvious yes.

On the practical side of things, is the running cost of an NRL team beyond a country with a GDP of just under $15Billion? obviously not
Is PNG any more lawless or corrupt than a country like Russia, a country perfectly capable of holding a national football competition of a comparable size to the NRL, of competining in a trans-national club competition many many many many times the size of the NRL, and hosting an international football tournament which is the biggest team sport competition in the entire world? No, it isnt.

This very argument was used by the OP in this very thread. Same OP who starts with the insults when anyone dares to question the validity of his claims.



Yes, it could. I never said it couldn't, but I still say that PNG and its Government should achieve the targets set it by the international groups that provide it with aid before anyone thinks about putting an NRL team in.


In your opinion maybe.......and I don't disagree in principle, but you are moving away from facts and now dealing in fiction.


Let's look at the GDP shall we. That's a serious wedge......I wonder where it's all going? The average income of the 6.5 million + citizens of PNG is under US$1,000 year........I wonder why there are no roads, decent hospitals, educational establishments for all....surely it is the responsibility of the Governement to supply these, but somehow, this GDP od 15 Billion is slipping through the net. Could it be that international investors ensure they make a fortune with the help of a few politicians.



Nope...but we are talking about a nation that is violent as well as being third world when it comes to infastructure, healthcare, education, communications etc.....we are not talking about a country where those things are not an issue.

BTW....on the Russia front. I have a mate who freelances in Outside Broadcasting. He has been all over the world, covering major events.....and he says the most harrowing and frustrating job was the Champions League final between United and Chelsea. He did the Commonwealth games, which he described as brilliant and luxurious when compared to getting his rig to Moscow..........the security in Russia was the tightest he has ever witnessed and that includes 3 Olympic games and 2 winter olympics, an asian games and the IPL Cricket.

So as you asked, I wouldn't want an ESL team in Russia either

Lol

whats wrong with mt druitt

Chelsea?

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lol

Shoot me.

www.throng.com.au/state-origin/m ... in-decider this shows where the money will come from in future for a PNG NRL team outrated the AFL GF lol

www.throng.com.au/state-origin/m ... in-decider this shows where the money will come from in future for a PNG NRL team outrated the AFL GF lol

yeah dally messenger......whatever you say

You live in union land though GF.

Of course the nrl deal will match afl's.
Of course ceo's of nrl clubs who are losing money hand over fist will want to give any spare cash to start a png side, because they really care about international rl.

Not for long though according to the NRL brains trust that is dally messenger.

The new TV deal will destroy New Zealand Rugby Union

Jeeeez is Dally still posting crap?

Yep...but not on the NRL boards for some strange reason.

Him being an idiot and arguing his point poorly doesnt mean his argument is wrong.
Why? There seems to be no discernable link between these two things. Many many countries receive aid and targets, India for one. But it didnt mean they were incapable of hosting the IPL or Commonwealth games, nor that these sports werent good for India.

So in what way is it fiction?


Probably, though im not sure, in principle how that is different from any other country. The UK and the billions squirreled away by Vodafone immediately springs to mind. And im sure those international investors will be among the first to join in with the sponsorship of a PNG NRL side. It makes them look good.

But it isnt as violent as Brazil and is only as violent as Russia, these countries do have issues with infrastructure, healthcare education, communications etc, go to a favela in Sao Paolo and tell me it isnt a third world country, look at the amazon basin and tell me it isnt third world.

And this was much much bigger than any NRL game. And it was hosted with barely a problem.

debate with you pal.



Bottom line is we will agree to disagree. You think PNG is ready for an NRL team and that team will sort out some of that countries problems, I on the other hand think you're wrong.

BTW....The Bill for the Insurance on 5 Outside Broadcast Rigs transported to Russia for The Champions League Final there cost in excess of 3 million pounds. Each rig is worth over 48 million and they had a russian army escort from the Finnish border to moscow and back......as I said, I wouldn't want ESL putting a team there

(unless they leave stevo and wiggy there)

Could/would players be expected to live there?

Or would they train and live in northern Australia and fly in for games?

Don't be daft


If you read this thread from the start you will see that there are already 1.2 million registered players in PNG and the PNG team would be drawn fom these. They would live there and probably get about $20,000 a year for being a pro RL player......at least it's more than Billy Slater earns in a week (isn't it?)

the problem with the NRL is we have too many places that need a team ASAP, thats whats holding back PNG.

In australia perth, central coast and probably 3 more queensland teams are an absolute must.

NZ really needs at least 1 more team, id go two if the finances were good.

and then theres PNG and even Adelaide..

the SL war lessened the apetitie for expansion, espeically to the more exotic places

However with the NRL salary cap set to rise to $6 - 7 million backed by TV grants the situation down the track will change dramactically.

we are looking at our next TV deal being $1 - $1.5 billion comapred to $500 million now

then when we add 2 out of perth, central coast and brisbane well get another massive increase next time

so by the next TV contract the landscape will be ripe for PNG IF they get their bid sorted out

the priority now is getting the salary cap up so we keep our elite players and even raid the union ranks again plus expand to the "easy" places

come 2020 NZ II and PNG would be quite ready for admittance to the nrl which would take us to a whole new level obliterating our domestic competitots

or maybe it's

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They should ditch the talk of an NRL bid for now and instead concentrate on what is more likely within the next 20years. the start of the national academy league is a great start and linking it to school attendance will be a great national benefit. Then they should be developing a stadium so they can host more Internation games and eventually NRL games. They should be lobbying the Australian Govt to make it easier for Jnr PNG players to get working visas in Oz and be aiming for a sustainable Q'land cup team. NRL should have some salary cap expemptions for PNG players signing to Oz clubs. Throw in more decent games for the kumuls and sorting out the mess that they have with who is actually running the game in PNG and they will be well on the way to taking the NRL opportunity if it ever comes up. Paying the Brisbane Broncos $250k to get their bid logo on the shorts isn't exactly a good investment imo!