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| 3 things.
1. Its not the fact its the third man in, its the nature of the tackle they might put in. Lima was naughty earlier this year, as others have been. A 3rd or 4th or 5th man in is often a necessity. As others have said, police it properly and the offences will decrease. Not that I actually recall many injuries from 3rd man hits despite the wailing in some quarters.
3. Any SL players moaning about 3rd man in are indeed shi1houses and should be embarrassed.
2. Stop replying to sadsack. He's a miserable little troll whose sole pleasure in life is fishing on tinternet.
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| Quote ="Cronus"2. Stop replying to sadsack. He's a miserable little troll whose sole pleasure in life is fishing on tinternet.'"
Love you too
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| Quote ="Saddened!"An interesting, although I suspect tongue in cheek twitter campaign is ongoing to outlaw a third man joining a tackle. Support includes Lee Briers and Richie Mathers. Wigan and Melbourne would no doubt throw their toys out of the pram over this, so I'd vote for it purely on those grounds.'"
Jesus you are a one sided poster, didn't you watch the Saints v Wigan game last week, plenty of 3+ tackles made by Saints and quite a few with the 3rd man around the legs.
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| Quote ="goobervision"Jesus you are a one sided poster, didn't you watch the Saints v Wigan game last week, plenty of 3+ tackles made by Saints and quite a few with the 3rd man around the legs.'"
Anything that helps improve the health & safety aspects of our sport should be championed. Anyone who knows me on here will know I put club affiliation aside in order to progress the sport.
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| And we wonder why we never beat Australia.
I'm no fan of Wigans, but thier defence last week against Saints was one of the best i have seen in a number of years. if the rest of SL could defend like that we might have a chance against Australia.
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| 2 men usually stop the momemtum, a third man 'running' in can be dangerous but what's to stop him just coming over and pulling up the attackers leg to stop his progress.
Don't just blame Wigan, Sad one
St Helens vs Warrington Wolves 2011 Wire Win
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57 secs in Graham 4th man in, on the kidneys absolutely no need
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"And we wonder why we never beat Australia.
I'm no fan of Wigans, but thier defence last week against Saints was one of the best i have seen in a number of years. if the rest of SL could defend like that we might have a chance against Australia.'"
I don't think anyone has a problem with Wigans energetic and proud defence it is the underhand tactics being employed that are questioned. As stated if it were little Sam that got his career ended by say Ryan Bailey dropping on his knee like Lima did there would be uproar!
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"
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57 secs in Graham 4th man in, on the kidneys absolutely no need'"
A bit sneaky from Graham.
Also on the same site, St Helens v Leeds 2009 just the biff, at 6:22 is James Graham running in on Ryan Bailey, but would anyone class this as dangerous?
Surely all this needs is policing by the ref so that the tackled player isn't 'attacked' when stationary/prone and undue force isn't placed on joints.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"2 men usually stop the momemtum, a third man 'running' in can be dangerous but what's to stop him just coming over and pulling up the attackers leg to stop his progress.
Don't just blame Wigan, Sad one
St Helens vs Warrington Wolves 2011 Wire Win
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57 secs in Graham 4th man in, on the kidneys absolutely no need'"
I'm not just blaming them. There are of course incidents when other players do it. Ban them all I say.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Anything that helps improve the health & safety aspects of our sport should be championed. Anyone who knows me on here will know I put club affiliation aside in order to progress the sport.'"
Like advocating the booing of our Sam?
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Like advocating the booing of our Sam?'"
Well if he didn't dive at players with his knees, trap arms, put pressure on joints and dive he probably wouldn't get boo'd.
Wigan fans seem to think it's a Wigan thing or because he's "the best player in the league" (he isn't) it's because he's a dirty little so & so who needs to cut it out before he rubs someone the wrong way on the pitch.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"An interesting, although I suspect tongue in cheek twitter campaign is ongoing to outlaw a third man joining a tackle. Support includes Lee Briers and Richie Mathers. Wigan and Melbourne would no doubt throw their toys out of the pram over this, so I'd vote for it purely on those grounds.
Seems a valid idea to me. There are so many instances where two players stop the momentum, then a third comes in, usually a grub, and just hammers away at a player's kidneys or knee, purely intended to damage the ball carrier and add five or six seconds to the play the ball. Melbourne in particular are being moaned about for this in the NRL.
How about they change the rules so that its a penalty to join a tackle after the initial impact has happened? Gang tackling would still be possible as if you could get three into the initial tackle you wouldn't be penalised and effort in defense is rewarded, which is fine because in that situation it isn't dangerous. They could also make it illegal to join any tackle below the waist if the player is already being held. I reckon this rule change alone would strip a good few season ending knee injuries out very quickly.'"
I suspect you do not watch the NRL so have no informed opinion about the tackling technique of Melbourne.
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| Quote ="Boris"I suspect you do not watch the NRL so have no informed opinion about the tackling technique of Melbourne.'"
No, the NRL bores me to tears. I do read the Aussie media on an RSS feed and there has been an awful lot of moaning about Melbourne's questionable techniques for the past month. I hate Melbourne as much as I hate Wigan. A grub organisation which thrives on cheating and simply cannot handle the thought of being on a level playing field with the other teams.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"Well if he didn't dive at players with his knees, trap arms, put pressure on joints and dive he probably wouldn't get boo'd.
Wigan fans seem to think it's a Wigan thing or because he's "the best player in the league" (he isn't) it's because he's a dirty little so & so who needs to cut it out before he rubs someone the wrong way on the pitch.'"
You could have said the same thing with much fewer words; 'I am a bitter idiot' would have sufficed.
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| The game is already a joke lets not make it a bigger one
15 years ago you could kick in the scrum, have a scrap and be able to drag a player now you get pinged for it
It's not tiddlywinks it's rugby league if you dont like it get out the game simple
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| Quote ="king warrior"The game is already a joke lets not make it a bigger one
15 years ago you could kick in the scrum, have a scrap and be able to drag a player now you get pinged for it
It's not tiddlywinks it's rugby league if you dont like it get out the game simple'"
To true, I used to love how players could strike at the play the ball, and also if there weren't any markers at the play the ball they could play it to themselves.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"To true, I used to love how players could strike at the play the ball, and also if there weren't any markers at the play the ball they could play it to themselves.'" Yeah proper rugby league boy i miss it
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| Let's have all the players wearing a belt with two strips of cloth velcroed on. People are moaning about these so called Aussie coaches bringing in new techniques but these techniques are the ones which win World Cup trophies. When we start playing the game in the same way and same intensity as the NRL we might start to succeed as a sport in the UK.
The only thing that needs addressing are the so called chicken wing, ninja tackles, 2 gilrs 1 cup or whatever everyone moans about. If techniques are adjusted and these wrestling moves come in then they should be dealt with by rule changes in the interest of player safety. Simply suggesting 3 men or more in a tackle should be outlawed is pathetic.
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| Quote ="king warrior"Yeah proper rugby league boy i miss it'"
Could you imagine Wilkin back in those days? eeeere ref he's just struck his studs at me and my fingers cut!
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| i know you mean to outlaw the 3rd man coming in and injuring the ball carrier,but the key is to pinpoint (retrospectively if neccesary) and ban players who are sometimes overzealous or dangerous when coming in late.the difficulty is proving intent, as to a man the players say that no player would deliberately try to injure another, even though we all know it happens
virtually every team has a cheap shot merchant ,but very few fans will admit they have one and defend them to the hilt when they do something a bit naughty
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| Quote ="Enicomb"You could have said the same thing with much fewer words; 'I am a bitter idiot' would have sufficed.'"
He's right though...
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| I am not sure that we have a problem but if the players & coaches think it is then what we should do is penalise the ofenders there is already rules about deliberatly trying to injure others. A one on one shoulder charge/ big hit has it place but done on a man who is held up & defenceless should be penalised harshly, The Union option of making all tacklers use thier arms would be an option. There again I have been involved with coaching youngsters of both codes & spend hours showing how to tackle from the front, side & back each involving getting the shoulder in place & wraping up the legs with a strong grip. none of which techniques you will see very often in the pro game.
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| if there is a reason to outlaw the chicken wing(a tackle intended to injure a player)there is obviously a problem with players attempting to put opponents out of the game, whether it is coached or not.
the daft thing is if coaches do introduce wrestling techniques etc in the tackle that can injure a player,surely they must know that eventually other sides will follow suit and retaliate accordingly ,therefore endangering their own players
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