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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Indeed from 0 clubs in Wales to 2 thriving ones, the benefits of expanding the game.'"
So sorry, I didnt realise the actual plan was to throw in a completely underprepared club so they would fail and hope that some locals would pick up the pieces afterwards
Clever fella that Dickie Lewis
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Except it clearly and obviously doesn't as a huge amount of examples prove.'"
But a much larger number do find it a deterant,
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Not by many people they wouldn't, a fraction of those who watched Leigh in SL, it seems the Leigh fans
, just like you, aren't. Loyal enough to deserve a chance at SL'"
Leighs current home fan averages arent much less than 2005 and have increased this season mostly because of the teams fine form and increased optimism after recent years of financial uncertainty, but also partly because of the announced new structure, I would expect next season to see more improvement with the potential to be playing some current SL clubs
Personally there are several reasons why I am not attending, work commitments,lack of intensity due to licencing, just a geneal apathy with the way the sport was going, it would seem the SL clubs agreed with me on that given their vote to change things
Work permitting I will be going to Headingley friday week and look foward to watching Leigh cross swords with some new teams next year, the challenge to the Leigh clubs management, and indeed all the other Championship clubs and whoever comes down is to do their best to build their income streams and fan bases to be able to compete in SL
The SL clubs have decided that opportunity should be available to all, good on them for that, that is the challenge for the Bradford Bulls ,if they are up for it they will be successful, if not, they wont
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"...
The fact that no creditors were to be paid, either by OK Bulls or any potential owner was the reason for the 6 points.
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So, a plan to pay ALL trade creditors IN FULL is, to you, equal to a "fact that no creditors were to be paid".
Well done!
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"So, a plan to pay ALL trade creditors IN FULL is, to you, equal to a "fact that no creditors were to be paid".
Well done!'"
Don't be ridiculous!
The so called plan was to work with the creditors, the suggestion was to negotiate a reduced sum and pay it back over 5 years.
Insulting!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Don't be ridiculous!
The so called plan was to work with the creditors, the suggestion was to negotiate a reduced sum and pay it back over 5 years.
Insulting!'"
Far from being "ridiculous", I simply report what creditors were told in writing by the administrator, at the time of the pre-pack. I'm sure you of course know better than the administrator who was a party to the deal, though. At least, in your head.
Oh, and while it is straying a little off topic, if you were such a creditor, what would you find insulting:
a) being paid in full over a period or
b) getting fsck all, ever.
I'm sure you are such a contrary mary that you probably would prefer nil to the insult of someone not responsible for your debt paying you back in full, though.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Far from being "ridiculous", I simply report what creditors were told in writing by the administrator, at the time of the pre-pack. I'm sure you of course know better than the administrator who was a party to the deal, though. At least, in your head.
Oh, and while it is straying a little off topic, if you were such a creditor, what would you find insulting:
a) being paid in full over a period or
b) getting fsck all, ever.
I'm sure you are such a contrary mary that you probably would prefer nil to the insult of someone not responsible for your debt paying you back in full, though.'"
Was there money on the table at the time? , has Mr Green paid any creditors off since purchasing the Bulls?
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| The club should have been allowed to die, kicked out of the league because they no longer existed and, if required, a new club created that applied to the RFL for membership should have started at the bottom.
When the Cougars went into administration, again, they were only allowed associate membership of the RFL. They should have been kicked out as well along with all others who go the same way.
It's time the RFL grew a pair.
If the clubs realised the ultimate sanction was non existence, creditors/suppliers realised there was a chance of minimal/no return then the financial control at clubs would be far better and the clubs far better run.
Also financial reporting to the RFL would have to be a lot tighter and controlled more rigerously
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| Quote ="Starbug"Was there money on the table at the time? , has Mr Green paid any creditors off since purchasing the Bulls?'"
Rather than changing the subject and thinking nobody notices, just admit you were wrong. Again.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Rather than changing the subject and thinking nobody notices, just admit you were wrong. Again.'"
Getting confused again sorry. Has Mr Green made an offer to repay creditors over 5 years or was that the bid that the RFL claimed was buying the club with its own money?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Rather than changing the subject and thinking nobody notices, just admit you were wrong. Again.'"
So thats a no then is it?
So Mr Green was intending to use SKY money to pay off the creditors, if of course he did intend to at all
A ' plan ' is worthless, actions speak louder than words
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Indeed from 0 clubs in Wales to 2 thriving ones, the benefits of expanding the game.'"
2 thriving? Your definition of thriving must be different to most other's.
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| Quote ="Traffic"Getting confused again sorry. Has Mr Green made an offer to repay creditors over 5 years or was that the bid that the RFL claimed was buying the club with its own money?'"
You are confusing Grren (i.e. BBNL) with BB2014 who almost owned the club and ran it for a whiule but fell out with the RFL and walked. It was they who were sanctioned on the bais of their plans and proposlas. Two differnt versions of which were mentioned, with no specifics in either version.
Nobody knows what BBNL is doing about the old creditors. Not a word has been reported so far as I know. If it helps, nobody on the RAB forum seems to think it would be likely very much, and what little we know of the appeal, it isn't based on the repayment principle. But that is all BBNL, and that's a different subject to the one I was being asked about.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So thats a no then is it? '"
I have no clue what it is, other than a continued evasion by you of all the points I put to you. No change there, then.
Quote ="Starbug"So Mr Green was intending to use SKY money to pay off the creditors, if of course he did intend to at all '"
Was he? Where on earth did you get that from? (I already know - in your usual style, that is a pure and blatant straw man, you just made it up.
In fact nobody knows what (if any) plans for old creditor repayment were part of the BBNL proposal (which the RFL accepted), because nothing has been made public.
Quote ="Starbug"A ' plan ' is worthless, actions speak louder than words'"
How ridiculous. You seriously think no business has any plan. Cos a plan "is worthless". Okayyyyyy!
I don't know your real ID, but now I have eliminated Alan Sugar and Richard Branson.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark" It was they who were sanctioned on the bais of their plans and proposlas.
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No. Bradford Bulls got docked 6 points, again, for going into Administration, again.
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
In fact nobody knows what (if any) plans for old creditor repayment were part of the BBNL proposal (which the RFL accepted), because nothing has been made public.
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The RFL approved the three as fit and proper persons. That's a backward looking test. Nothing to do with any future plans.
The 6 points stayed at 6 points because the amount the 3 were going to pay the Adminstrator for the Club was not enough to warrant any points back.
After the 3 walked away, the RFL approved the new, new prospective owner as a fit proper person but how much the Administrator accepts for a Club from a new owner is nothing to do with the RFL.
Bradford Bulls still has the 6 points deduction as it stands.
The new owner is appealing this. The Administrator knows how much the new owner paid him for the Club (and therefore whether or not there was any cash left over for creditors after the Administrator got his fee).
Once the RFL Appeals panel has this information, they will be able to assess how many (if any) points the Bulls deserve to get back.
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| Quote ="Starbug"But a much larger number do find it a deterant,
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Yeah obviously. I'm sure the Leigh board right now would love to, are absolutely gagging to put the club in administration. Who doesn't love an administration? It's a wonderful thing. If it wasn't for the next owners getting a points penalty roughly 75% of clubs would go into admin tomorrow. Bar that points penalty it's a completely painless and entirely beneficial process. Everyone would do it every couple of weeks.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So sorry, I didnt realise the actual plan was to throw in a completely underprepared club so they would fail and hope that some locals would pick up the pieces afterwards
Clever fella that Dickie Lewis
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He called it, the Leigh 2005 Super League Plan.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Leighs current home fan averages arent much less than 2005 and have increased this season mostly because of the teams fine form and increased optimism after recent years of financial uncertainty, but also partly because of the announced new structure, I would expect next season to see more improvement with the potential to be playing some current SL clubs
Personally there are several reasons why I am not attending, work commitments,lack of intensity due to licencing, just a geneal apathy with the way the sport was going, it would seem the SL clubs agreed with me on that given their vote to change things
Work permitting I will be going to Headingley friday week and look foward to watching Leigh cross swords with some new teams next year, the challenge to the Leigh clubs management, and indeed all the other Championship clubs and whoever comes down is to do their best to build their income streams and fan bases to be able to compete in SL
The SL clubs have decided that opportunity should be available to all, good on them for that, that is the challenge for the Bradford Bulls ,if they are up for it they will be successful, if not, they wont'"
Yes, you are a hypocrite. You haven't really added anything to that here.
Leigh's attendances are less than half of those in SL and you have complained hundreds of times that they couldn't attract SL crowds in the lower leagues, in fact that was one of your criticisms of licensing, that lower league sides were at such a disadvantage. You now demand that of Bradford fans, like there is honour and loyalty in watching an inferior product. A loyalty and honour you and your fellow Leigh fans didn't show. You're a hypocrite.
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| Quote ="Wooden Stand"No. Bradford Bulls got docked 6 points, again, for going into Administration, again.
The RFL approved the three as fit and proper persons. That's a backward looking test. Nothing to do with any future plans.
The 6 points stayed at 6 points because the amount the 3 were going to pay the Adminstrator for the Club was not enough to warrant any points back.
After the 3 walked away, the RFL approved the new, new prospective owner as a fit proper person but how much the Administrator accepts for a Club from a new owner is nothing to do with the RFL.
Bradford Bulls still has the 6 points deduction as it stands.
The new owner is appealing this. The Administrator knows how much the new owner paid him for the Club (and therefore whether or not there was any cash left over for creditors after the Administrator got his fee).
Once the RFL Appeals panel has this information, they will be able to assess how many (if any) points the Bulls deserve to get back.'"
A very good effort at arguing against yourself there. Managing to argue the opposites it two consecutive paragraphs. An interesting tactic.
The amount the 3 were to pay the administrator wasn't enough for the. RFL but the amount to be paid to the administrator was nothing to do with the RFL?
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| Think smokey and fa keep getting the date pushed back as their worried they won't have anything to do all day once the decision has been handed down. Afterall they currently seem to spend most of their time on this thread telling everyone by long winded and condescending posts why we have all got it wrong and they know best
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"You are confusing Grren (i.e. BBNL) with BB2014 who almost owned the club and ran it for a whiule but fell out with the RFL and walked. It was they who were sanctioned on the bais of their plans and proposlas. Two differnt versions of which were mentioned, with no specifics in either version.
Nobody knows what BBNL is doing about the old creditors. Not a word has been reported so far as I know. If it helps, nobody on the RAB forum seems to think it would be likely very much, and what little we know of the appeal, it isn't based on the repayment principle. But that is all BBNL, and that's a different subject to the one I was being asked about.'"
Cheers
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Think smokey and fa keep getting the date pushed back as their worried they won't have anything to do all day once the decision has been handed down. Afterall they currently seem to spend most of their time on this thread telling everyone by long winded and condescending posts why we have all got it wrong and they know best'"
I hear the Pope's asked them to go to Rome - something about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin!
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"He called it, the Leigh 2005 Super League Plan.'"
What a quite ridiculous post, completely detached from the post quoted
You really are losing the plot atm
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I have no clue what it is, other than a continued evasion by you of all the points I put to you. No change there, then.
Was he? Where on earth did you get that from? (I already know - in your usual style, that is a pure and blatant straw man, you just made it up.
In fact nobody knows what (if any) plans for old creditor repayment were part of the BBNL proposal (which the RFL accepted), because nothing has been made public.
How ridiculous. You seriously think no business has any plan. Cos a plan "is worthless". Okayyyyyy!
I don't know your real ID, but now I have eliminated Alan Sugar and Richard Branson.
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So you have no idea what was offered if anything,? You have no more knowledge of anything on the subject, but just because its the Bulls you believe they are in the right and should be favoured again?
Hilarious
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| Quote ="Starbug"So you have no idea what was offered if anything,? '"
I'm the one who has been pointing this out for many weeks. Does "So" mean it has finally registered in what passes for your consciousness/
Quote ="Starbug"You have no more knowledge of anything on the subject, '"
If you could try to post in English phrases that carry an actual meaning, then that would be helpful
Quote ="Starbug"but just because its the Bulls you believe they are in the right and should be favoured again? '"
Whatever that means, it isn't any comment remotely like anything I have ever posted, so what are you on about?
Quote ="Starbug"Hilarious'"
Sadly not. Instead of ever taking a reasoned point, or ever answering a question, or ever accepting corrections however banal, you just keep up pathetic attempts to deflect from the ridiculousness of your drivel by just these sort of fourth form distraction-for-beginners tactics. "Pathetic" would be closer.
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