A big spike in sales follows every Toulouse/Catalan/Toronto win, but it's a phenomenal increase should this be combined with losses for Leigh or Wakefield.
They are the Kleenex Collective!

I'll be surprised if Toronto Barbarians are still in OUR league in 10 years, never mind a 100.

I shouldn't think either will be in Superleague 2022.

That's the season a reduced TV deal comes in from SKY and a reduced Superleague of likely 10 clubs. Who the clubs will be will be decided by Superleague bosses and SKY who will favour the English clubs so Leeds, Hull. HKR, Wakey, Cas, Huddersfield, Wire, Saints, Wigan and Leigh is likely to be the league by then or should we say Caddick, Pearson, Hudgell, Carter, Fulton, Davey, Moran, McManus, Lenigan and Beaumont.....

None of these gentlemen will sell out a colleague to continue the TWP farce. SKY will want English clubs and their subscription buying fans. TWP have no value to the game here. To indicate the supporter base of TWP in Toronto is any value to clubs here isn't right is it Steph.

Lack of any forward plan will again impact on any TV deal.

The N. American experiment with a "let's just see how it goes" attitude isn't going to help secure any improvement n the TV deal.
It's quite ridiculous that NOBODY knows if we should stick or twist in terms of expanding the comp.

As a supporter of one of the so called smaller clubs, there is a concern that "we" will try and squeeze some of the UK clubs out, to allow the remaining clubs to take a larger slice of a smaller cake or, simply reduce the size of SL, with the same result.
This would be "sold" as "improving the quality" of the comp, with the reality being something quite different.

The addition of the N. American clubs will increase costs to all clubs without increasing the return
Although, in the lower leagues, Toronto coming to town with their "star studded" side does generate some additional interest, this is unlikely to be the case in SL and do they actually have any plans to invest in grassroots development.
Difficult as this is, if they have any aspirations to develop the sport over there, there has to be some roots underneath the headline club.

I don't know why you say "nobody knows". Eamon McManus went public on behalf of Superlegue to say SL don't want NA clubs because they are just English and Aussie pro's dressing up as expansion teams? They don't run foundations, don't underpin junior ARL, they don't run academies and don't run reserves. Wakefield do all of these things, and what's more they are a big club as compared to any North American fantasy. Had Trinity got Newmarket or the Belle Vue redevelopment they would be flying in the same way new grounds revitalised Saints, Wire and Hull. I also just do not get where you get the idea of English clubs being squeezed out? Who by exactly?

Sky won't want English clubs squeezed out either, it's their fans that buy the SKY subscriptions, not the French or the Americans. Where do you get this idea from I wonder? Do you buy League Express or League weekly or log onto Total RL.com?? There's no shortage of people including guys who run these things (and should know better) dreaming of what could be and chucking Mr. Axe to grind out for talking reality, whilst ignoring the massive damage and cost (as you say) of turning transatlantic................You got that bang on right - why not stop Mr. Carter at the next game and give him your concerns - I am sure he'll re-assure you.

He will tell you they had to let TWP in because of a legally binding agreement with the RFL the winner of the Championship goes up. He will tell you that won't happen again, and TWP will be out when the new SKY deal is agreed.

Donnyman. Do you think you can write shorter posts so that I can find time to read them? Some of us are busy. In any case, being succinct is a virtue in writing.

The north american TV market is huge.
The home shopping network, which does nothing but try to flog cheap chinese crap, claims to have 94 million viewers - or over 3 times the population of Australia.
The NRL gets broadcast on the fox soccer channel in the early hours of the morning in the US and gets numbers of viewers that would look OK in Australia.
You don't need to get much of a foothold in the US TV market to dwarf anything from any other market.
Popular sports in the US can sign individual players for 100s of millions because of the size of their market.

Of course he could write shorter posts for you and stephie, but by condensing them he might lose some of the points he's trying unsuccessfully to put across to you regarding the obvious, what do they say in Kiev, there's/theirs/they'res nowt so blind as them as can't see, you should be grateful to the man for taking the time to educate you by giving it to you straight from the thread to the needle, that's another old saying from Kiev btw.

Someone has hit the sherry early!

Well I don't drink, and it's 8pm here - but the American market is huge.
If Rupert Murdoch's fox network were listed in Australia instead of the US it would be Australia's largest company by a long way, and it's the 4th network in the US.
It's New York - If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere - New York, New york.

I know you are very busy my friend so I hope you don't mind if I take this opportunity on your behalf to wish all your followers throughout the rugby playing world, Joyeux Noel for all the frenchmen on here

, merry xmas to all the friends he has in Leigh and Chorley

,and Shchaslyvoho Rizdva to all his mates in Kiev

.

The American market is potentially huge, but they wont take to Rugby, of whichever form, or it would already have been done. Cricket has never taken off either, China is huge, Russia is huge, South America is huge, should we have Johannasburg Jays, Beigin Bengals, Moscow Muscle to chuck in with The Toronto Vanity Project, the New York will never happens?

Are there wnough journeymen Aussies (not already in SL) to go around?

I read it back and that took me 44 seconds.

What's happening here is you can't answer me, you can't find a single NA player now and can't project any in the future, you can't name the Canadian and USA investors that supposedly exist beyond Aussie Argyle, and you cant point to a single cent from any NATV or French TV deal, nor name a single NA junior RL side, or a French born team capable of Superleague.

Add to that your inability to accept even TWP via their coach admit they offer no players and no TV money. and the imaginary Ottawa and NY are continually kicked down the road then please be my guest during the festive holiday and set out for me how your transatlantic quadrangular tournament involving English French, USA and Canadian clubs is going to work?

29 seconds to read it, spare me a few minutes to let me know how your League will work?

Lol a thread about a tv deal has turned into “boo hoo Toronto”

Lmao

There is no 'boo hoo' about your beloved Toronto stephanie, just some facts. Don't get upset, after all you're a St. Helens supporter.

Probably your own making.

Toronto promised an NATV deal so they could pay into the pot' like the English clubs do, as Toronto fans don't subscribe to SKY. The twelfth of the deal they don'r get is used to cover the high costs they create for English clubs. The reality of TV deals is worth a discussion but you are trying to turn it into an exchange of childish insults. TotalRL can provide such a service biased towards overseas clubs, which you and Mr. Capdouze may prefer if don't want to actually discuss the game?

Same questions for you once your Quadrangular dream league of Wigan, Leeds, Hull, Ottawa, TWP, Montreal, New York, Jacksonville, Boston and Catalans Avignon and Toulouse comes about how will that ever work as far as developing players and getting TV deals go?? How will owners and fans here just let it happen

Ponder this. In 2006 Les Catalans joined Superleaue so they could develop professional Quality French players to revive the once proud France National team as International RL is a valuable product we can sell to TV. To manage to compete in SL before the French lads came through they signed 9 overseas players. Since 2006 every last French game against GB, Australia and New Zealand has been a shambles and today Les Catalans have to sign 12 overseas players to compete. With no TV deal now I guess they will be ejected 2022? Your thoughts Steph???.

I thought the Catalans TV deal was of fairly recent origin. Personally, I doubt they'll be first to be shown the door, should it come to that.

Yes it was of recent origin, but SL clubs have waited since 2006 for France to provide "quality players and TV deals" 14 years on the players haven't come but the TV deal maybe saved them, but it's gone now!!.

Now there is no TV deal and very few quality French players I still may agree with you they would stay 2022 as they have a rich owner. But the 2022 deal is set to be for a 10 club league. How can we keep a failed guest club and refuse an English club? Perhaps pick me your 10 clubs for 2022 include Catalans and see who you have to leave out for them??

Yeah, IMO unless there are at least 2 French and N American sides in the British RL Premiership/SL, then it should be zero teams from there. The French shwd be building their own league. And obviously that's even more the case for NA.

Bit harsh there regarding French players.
Catalan squad was roughly 50/50 with French / Non French players and there are also a smattering of French players in SL with other clubs, Toulouse also have some decent local players.
However, the game has been played in Catalonia for many years and it's not as though they were going from a "cold start".

However,, the failed experiment in Paris is a prime example of planting a tree in a desert and once the money, together with the initial interest ran out, there was nothing left in that part of France.

If the consortium in N. America lose interest, RL will be but a distant memory.

As for TV deals, if Catalan, with a decent level of local interest, are struggling, just how difficult will it be for Toronto to secure their own deal - it's not happening and it's not likely to.

So are most on here in favour of Catalonia and Toronto not being in the British system?

Sorry to say this but yes we do not need them Toronto should have been no from the of who ever let them in wants shooting

Catalans had a TV deal and there was a renewal offer made. In good old Oliver Twist mode Elstone asked for more and was told "non". Let's hope his negotiating skills prove to be a bit more successful with Sky....

What makes you think that whoever let Toronto in would want to be shot? Has Mr Robert Elstone or any of the Super League chairmen ever shown signs of suicidal tendencies?