I think one of the voices has escaped from his head, and morphed into a whole separate identity.

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It's definitely a very dubious decision, but as the RFL insists on this ridiculous silence for their officials, we'll never know what he thinks he's seen. There is very clearly no head contact, the impact is in the middle of his back. It's clear we're being refereed differently to the other sides at the moment.

Drax the destroyer would certainly think so. Of course I'm not, but on a minor, irrelevant level, it does fit. Happy to ignore the issues and laugh at Saints. Yet if we ever benefitted from such, there would be outrage.

standard matty lees tackle that

Entirely legal though. Shouldn't have been a penalty, let alone a card.

No. It really doesn't fit at all.

The issue here is that refereeing in RL is terrible and inconsistent. Bit that is not unique for Saints. Every other club has to put up with the same rubbish referees and decisions too. Admittedly, Saints have had some bad calls at crucial times that have cost them points, but I think that is more down to bad luck rather than persecution by bent referees.

I also think that Saints are unwittingly partially to blame. They play a tough and aggresive style of play, and don't hold back. This occasionally leads to accident foul tackles, as well as big hits that look like foul play at full speed. The refs are human and will occasionally make the wrong call on these.

The recent games against NRL teams likely didn't help, either. Because they all play a similar style of aggressive play to Saints, the referees and opposition players are used to the big hits and know what to look out for when making a split second decision. In other words, the referees let more go. Bringing that successful brand of rugby back home and they are suddenly getting pinged for it by the idiots we let loose with whistles. But it is not just players in red vee's. It is the same with any team.

Nonsense! If O'Brien doesn't slightly duck and turn, Lees is looking at a red!

The voices in your head need to stay there, do not give them the wifi password.

Yeah IF he hit him in the head it's a card. If O'Brien did Shawn Michael's sweet chin music on him it would be a card too. You don't referee games on hypotheticals.

I reckon if you told most Wakefield and Cas fans they’d only be 2 points behind the world champion St Helens at the start of the season they’d have been more than pleased with it.

My hypothetical was RED!, My opinion was YELLOW! The ref gave YELLOW.........Correct call.

The Leigh player should have been banned for not dropping the ball.

Clearly not. It's not even a penalty.

We would have been happy being 2 points behind St Helens after 1 game.

If Bentley still played for St Helens he would have got a yellow card last night and a 3 game ban

#therflarecrooks

The Cas v Leeds game had it all didn't it. High shots, late shots, shoulder charges, referee contact, referee abuse. Nothing doing with any of it. Hopefully it's the RFL seeing the errors of their ways after being corrected by Wello's email, but I suspect not. It'll go down as further clear proof that St Helens are refereed differently to all the other teams.

#Iagreewithme

Ther flare crooks?

Ridiculous from Dwyer, Saints should’ve lost 3 in a row.

I admit, it has a very poor demographic, lots of pound shops, lots of unemployment, a very downtrodden ill educated place of deprivation but what a rugby team we have!

The ref looked out of his depth last night. I don't think a more experienced one would have let the players get away with anywhere near as much.

It likely wouldn't have changed the score much though.

That is one hell of a statement to make.

Unemployment in St Helens is around 3.2%, which is lower than the national average of 3.7%.

"Downtrodden, ill educated place" , you really are something else aren't you. The sooner the admin here ban your countless trolling accounts, the better this place will be.

I don't think any of us Rugby League fans support teams located in a utopian environment.