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| It would be interesting, though I suspect impossible to do, to look at an age profile of the spectators.
On a purely subjective impression I believe that the average age of spectators at RL is increasing steadily. My worry, if that is true is that the downward trend that William Eve has identified is therefore inevitable.
To stop the rot and turn things around the game must look at it's attraction for the younger supporter (having a oversize mascot waving doesn't really count) and for families as a whole.
I agree with William's question - "Perhaps the game has to offer such bargains because the SL product isn't anywhere near as good as it's most ardent apostles and missionaries profess it to be?"
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| Quote ="django"...or perhaps the fans are unable to afford £20+ a game.'"
If it really is the case that £20 is no longer an affordable price to pay among the SL supporting demographic, how difficult could it possibly be to attract an appropriately named sponsor for the SL competition like Poundland, Cash Converters or Wonga for instance?
The fans of SL have been abandoning the play-off fixtures long before the economy turned to excrement.
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| Quote ="William Eve"If it really is the case that £20 is no longer an affordable price to pay among the SL supporting demographic, how difficult could it possibly be to attract an appropriately named sponsor for the SL competition like Poundland, Cash Converters or Wonga for instance?
The fans of SL have been abandoning the play-off fixtures long before the economy turned to excrement.'"
Hull FC had two home play off games in 2007 and the attendances were 12,140 against Huddersfield and 16,291 against Wigan. Both up on the regular season attendances (the Wigan game by 3,536). We got 16,087 against Bradford in 2006 and 17,699 against Hull KR in 2010.
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| The lower the crowds for the first week of the play offs the better for me. Will hopefully make the clubs realise what a poor format it is. Although for some reason they will probably vote it in again for next season.
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| The guy who owns cash convertors brand is a massive RL fan, here in Perth. Reckon he would be up for sponsoring SL.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"The guy who owns cash convertors brand is a massive RL fan, here in Perth. Reckon he would be up for sponsoring SL.'"
The RFL will love it. They converted 1.7 million in cash into a few refrigerated Trucks last time....
Slightly off topic, but worthy of a mention in this thread, Magic Weekend saw 895,000 people tune in to watch the games on SKY TV.
Catalan v London 88k
Cas v Wakey 110k
Hull v Hull 182k
St's v Wire 167k
Salford v Widnes 53k
Bulls v Hudds 90k
Leeds v Wigan 205k.
An average of about 128k a game....what do the RFL need to do to get these fans into stadiums? The NRL brokered a chunk of their TV deal in advertising airtime.....do the RFL need to do the same? There were TV adverts here in NZ for every Warriors home game this year promoting event games with KO times and information....maybe SKY need to be squeezed into doing the same in the UK??
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| where did you get the sky viewing figures from?
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"where did you get the sky viewing figures from?'"
Go to BARB.CO.UK
Select top 10's,
Highlight Sky Sports 1,2,3,& 4 and select May and the last week.
It gives the times of KO so that's how I knew which game was which.
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| Oh, TV viewing figures and stats:
"Magic Weekend saw 895,000 people tune in to watch the games on SKY TV."
Really ?
Are you sure that they're not just double counting the same people. If the peak figures were 205k for the Leeds game, there's a fair chance that these were exactly the same people (but in lower proportions) that were watching the other games.
You simply can't just add all the figures together!
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| Oh, TV viewing figures and stats:
"Magic Weekend saw 895,000 people tune in to watch the games on SKY TV."
Really ?
Are you sure that they're not just double counting the same people. If the peak figures were 205k for the Leeds game, there's a fair chance that these were exactly the same people (but in lower proportions) that were watching the other games.
You simply can't just add all the figures together!
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| Look that's 2 posts on the same subject, not just 1 that's been repeated !
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| More than 1.6 million people attended a SL game this year, that's 1 in every 20 adults in the UK!
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Oh, TV viewing figures and stats:
"Magic Weekend saw 895,000 people tune in to watch the games on SKY TV."
Really ?
Are you sure that they're not just double counting the same people. If the peak figures were 205k for the Leeds game, there's a fair chance that these were exactly the same people (but in lower proportions) that were watching the other games.
You simply can't just add all the figures together!'"
And you can't get your facts right, the 205k was for the Wigan game.
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| Sorry, you're right, so that's 205k for the Leeds game and 205k for the Wigan game so 410k overall for that fixture.
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| I’ve thoroughly enjoyed Williams thread, whether he had an ulterior motive or not.
I hope he has the time & inclination to do it all again next season, but it’s going to be a little trickier the year after, what with the proposed split and all .
Perhaps we could predict the league positions ala the real thing.
I’ll go for.
Percentage increase for league - 1.5%
Top club. Salford – Increase 35% (remember Salford fans, that’s just the top club in terms of attendance )
Bottom club – Wakefield – Decrease 27%. (Unfortunately Wakefield fans, probably correct on both counts )
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| For next year Hull KR should see a small increase with the North Stand open and season tickets being sold for in there. Also bigger potential gate for the derby.
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| Quote ="MOT"For next year Hull KR should see a small increase with the North Stand open and season tickets being sold for in there. Also bigger potential gate for the derby.'"
I thought it was just for away fans?
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"It would be interesting, though I suspect impossible to do, to look at an age profile of the spectators.
On a purely subjective impression I believe that the average age of spectators at RL is increasing steadily. My worry, if that is true is that the downward trend that William Eve has identified is therefore inevitable.
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I agree with William's question - "Perhaps the game has to offer such bargains because the SL product isn't anywhere near as good as it's most ardent apostles and missionaries profess it to be?"'"
I have been advocating for 3 years now that Leigh do a full crowd ' Census ' every year to identify the trends ( including the average age of the clubs supporters ) for attending and to gain every ' customers ' details
Every business that has repeat customers will as a matter of course have all their details, basic business practice, it is criminal if they dont have them
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| Quote ="Starbug"I have been advocating for 3 years now that Leigh do a full crowd ' Census ' every year to identify the trends ( including the average age of the clubs supporters ) for attending and to gain every ' customers ' details
Every business that has repeat customers will as a matter of course have all their details, basic business practice, it is criminal if they dont have them'"
you'd think, wouldn't you.
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| The most valuable commodity any business can have is Cash, cold hard currency in the bank
2 nd to that is Assets , especially those that can earn income
3 rd is information, information of your existing customers, and of potential new customers
Few clubs have cash, a few more have assets, all should have information, given the simplicity and cheap cost of communicating with modern methods ,it should be at the top of every clubs priority, probably more so than the big prop and fast winger
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| Quote ="Starbug"The most valuable commodity any business can have is Cash, cold hard currency in the bank
2 nd to that is Assets , especially those that can earn income
3 rd is information, information of your existing customers, and of potential new customers
Few clubs have cash, a few more have assets, all should have information, given the simplicity and cheap cost of communicating with modern methods ,it should be at the top of every clubs priority, probably more so than the big prop and fast winger'"
IIRC Harlequins Rugby League had 4 databases of fans in 2007, collated over 10 or so years of SL........and not the slightest ing idea of what to do with them.
Data is one of the most valuable things n organisation can have....but perversely, it is also one of the most expensive and costly things to have if you don't use it!
I'd lay odds that most SL clubs consider a weekly email and Facebook/twitter activity the entirety of their CRM activity
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| Story today about the average ticket price across the 4 divisions in English football having dropped by 2.4%......this is after they experienced around a 5% drop in average attendance from the previous year.
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Quote ="ThePrinter"Story today about the average ticket price across the 4 divisions in English football having dropped by 2.4%......this is after they experienced around a 5% drop in average attendance from the previous year.'"
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24052562
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www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24052562
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| Quote ="MOT"For next year Hull KR should see a small increase with the North Stand open and season tickets being sold for in there. Also bigger potential gate for the derby.'"
I'm going to stick my neck out and say +10% on this year for regular SL matches...
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Quote ="Tre Cool"I thought it was just for away fans?'"
not according to this link www.hullkr.co.uk/club-community/ ... orth-stand
With it being 2700 capacity I can't see a club (maybe FC depending on how they are doing) filling it so might as well get as many season tickets as you can in there
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Quote ="Tre Cool"I thought it was just for away fans?'"
not according to this link www.hullkr.co.uk/club-community/ ... orth-stand
With it being 2700 capacity I can't see a club (maybe FC depending on how they are doing) filling it so might as well get as many season tickets as you can in there
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