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[uIf its true that Tomkins is being offered £400K a year[/u by Union then he would indeed he foolish to turn it down. However, given that is a tenth of the current Union club salary cap, which has to account for around 30 players its not rocket science to realise why Union clubs will only make those sort of raids once in a blue moon and not be after every promising young League player.
I appreciate it's devastating for fans of the club that lose a good player to union but seeing as the game only loses 1 or 2 players a season, some of them not even our top players, its hardly devastating to the game as a whole....'"
certain of the french Top 14 clubs could offer him even more.....
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| Would you Brits prefer to see guys go across to the RFU or come down to the NRL? I'm just wondering since if they play in the Union comps you can still watch them locally.
In 2013 the NRL clubs are expected to have salary caps which'll dwarf the biggest union clubs so hopefully we'll see more of your guys come down here and join Ellis, Burgess, etc.
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| Quote ="Lockyer4President!"Would you Brits prefer to see guys go across to the RFU or come down to the NRL? I'm just wondering since if they play in the Union comps you can still watch them locally.
In 2013 the NRL clubs are expected to have salary caps which'll dwarf the biggest union clubs so hopefully we'll see more of your guys come down here and join Ellis, Burgess, etc.'"
No question - I'd prefer to see em go to the NRL. They'd become better players and would still be available for the Englist test side.
However, I'd be surprised if the trickle of English players to the NRL became a torrent. Don't think there's that many players that NRL sides will deem worth signing and there seems to be a surprising reluctance from some English player to go and live at the other side of the world and play in the best RL comp in the world!
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| Most RL players going to Union (exception Jason Robinson) go down hill massively and seem to get into trouble for drinking too much.
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| Quote ="Dally"Most RL players going to Union (exception Jason Robinson) go down hill massively and seem to get into trouble for drinking too much.'"
Yep , bet Ashton wishes he never bothered , looks like hes having a pitiful time of things........
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| Quote ="Dally"Most RL players going to Union (exception Jason Robinson) go down hill massively and seem to get into trouble for drinking too much.'"
Think you can add Ashton to the exeption list as well, hasn't done too bad from moving to RU
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| Quote ="Larry Billey"Yep , bet Ashton wishes he never bothered , looks like hes having a pitiful time of things........'"
He looks like he's spending his enormous paycheck on cheeseburgers to me.
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| Quote ="jesus-is-coming"So the arguements for staying are internal happiness oh right'"
For a great deal of people that is far more important than anything else. It might not be for you but for many (and I include me) it is.
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| Joel T might stand a better chance of making it by going to Sarries where Andy Farrell is the coach. Wasps with Shaun Edwards as coach might be another club where they will understand a RL players playing career so far. Although it didn't do Lee Smith much good.
Joel might make it he might not.
Joel will be well aware of a Wigan junior who went to Sale last year, Ian Thornley. Played in the U18s and U20s at Wigan. Sale said he was the latest great thing from Rugby League.
Sale have now offloaded (loaned) him to Leeds Union in their 2nd division and he's not cut it there either. Heard it mentioned last week he's now in Leeds 2nd team. A real good prospect gone to Union who've wrecked him.
We'll all be watching to see when Joel goes, how he goes!
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Joel T might stand a better chance of making it by going to Sarries where Andy Farrell is the coach. Wasps with Shaun Edwards as coach might be another club where they will understand a RL players playing career so far. Although it didn't do Lee Smith much good.
Joel might make it he might not.
Joel will be well aware of a Wigan junior who went to Sale last year, Ian Thornley. Played in the U18s and U20s at Wigan. Sale said he was the latest great thing from Rugby League.
Sale have now offloaded (loaned) him to Leeds Union in their 2nd division and he's not cut it there either. Heard it mentioned last week he's now in Leeds 2nd team. A real good prospect gone to Union who've wrecked him.
We'll all be watching to see when Joel goes, how he goes!'"
that should be a warning to other league youngsters who see the bright lights of rugby union. Dunno why this kids wanna leave before they have even made an impression in rugby league.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Joel T might stand a better chance of making it by going to Sarries where Andy Farrell is the coach. Wasps with Shaun Edwards as coach might be another club where they will understand a RL players playing career so far. Although it didn't do Lee Smith much good.
Joel might make it he might not.
Joel will be well aware of a Wigan junior who went to Sale last year, Ian Thornley. Played in the U18s and U20s at Wigan. Sale said he was the latest great thing from Rugby League.
Sale have now offloaded (loaned) him to Leeds Union in their 2nd division and he's not cut it there either. Heard it mentioned last week he's now in Leeds 2nd team. A real good prospect gone to Union who've wrecked him.
We'll all be watching to see when Joel goes, how he goes!'" It's not exactly fair this. Chris Ashton was within a whisker of coming back to RL, even 18 months after first signing for Northampton because he found the culture shock whilst learning a new game very hard. Sale have loaned Thornley out in much the same way Wigan or any SL team does, in order for him to learn the nuances of RU in a lower league. This isn't to say Thornley is lacking any of the attributes needed to make it with the rah rahs. The only thing that will stop him is himself cos he's got bags of talent.
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| Can't Union take Sam Tomkins instead of Joel? Many would be delighted to see the Mr Unpopular of Rugby League depart our sport.
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| Quote ="Bruce_Forsyth"Can't Union take Sam Tomkins instead of Joel? Many would be delighted to see the Mr Unpopular of Rugby League depart our sport.'"
You want one of the most talented RL players that England have produced to leave our sport? How strange
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| Quote ="Bruce_Forsyth"Can't Union take Sam Tomkins instead of Joel? Many would be delighted to see the Mr Unpopular of Rugby League depart our sport.'"
He must have turned down an invitation to go on Strictly Come Dancing..........................
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| Quote ="Cecil B"No question - I'd prefer to see em go to the NRL. They'd become better players and would still be available for the Englist test side.
However, I'd be surprised if the trickle of English players to the NRL became a torrent. Don't think there's that many players that NRL sides will deem worth signing and there seems to be a surprising reluctance from some English player to go and live at the other side of the world and play in the best RL comp in the world!'"
Say most of these guys who have gone to the RFU were offered similar contracts to play in Aus, do you think many would come to the NRL?
I'm just trying to understand if the reason most cross is purely for the cash or, if the money is the same, it's the pull of playing in a higher profile international sport?
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| Quote ="Lockyer4President!"Say most of these guys who have gone to the RFU were offered similar contracts to play in Aus, do you think many would come to the NRL?
I'm just trying to understand if the reason most cross is purely for the cash or, if the money is the same, it's the pull of playing in a higher profile international sport?'"
Its very possible that some players wouldn't want to move to Australia, so would pick union because of that.
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| Thornley has all the attributes to make it in either code.
It's not the lad himself or his ability, it's the coaches both at Sale and Leeds who don't know how to develop him into their game.
No one believes that he's learning anything, just going backwards.
Shame for such a talented lad!
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Thornley has all the attributes to make it in either code.
It's not the lad himself or his ability, it's the coaches both at Sale and Leeds who don't know how to develop him into their game.
No one believes that he's learning anything, just going backwards.
Shame for such a talented lad!'"
It was Thorniley who chose to go, maybe he'll realise now that centre in RU is completely different to centre in RL.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Thornley has all the attributes to make it in either code.
It's not the lad himself or his ability, it's the coaches both at Sale and Leeds who don't know how to develop him into their game.
No one believes that he's learning anything, just going backwards.
Shame for such a talented lad!'"
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| Quote ="Lockyer4President!"Say most of these guys who have gone to the RFU were offered similar contracts to play in Aus, do you think many would come to the NRL?
I'm just trying to understand if the reason most cross is purely for the cash or, if the money is the same, it's the pull of playing in a higher profile international sport?'"
They'll tell you they've switched to Union for "the challenge" and the higher profile international game.
Just try not to be stood in front of them when they do though, their noses might take your eye out.
Money talks.
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| Quote ="Pemps"You want one of the most talented RL players that England have produced to leave our sport? How strange
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Yep. The sooner the better too.
Get rid.
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| Quote ="Bruce_Forsyth"Yep. The sooner the better too.
Get rid.'"
Obvious troll account is obvious.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Obvious troll account is obvious.'" It will be one of the saddo previously banned a dozen time losers. Best to ignore.
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| Quote ="Lockyer4President!"Would you Brits prefer to see guys go across to the RFU or come down to the NRL? I'm just wondering since if they play in the Union comps you can still watch them locally.
In 2013 the NRL clubs are expected to have salary caps which'll dwarf the biggest union clubs so hopefully we'll see more of your guys come down here and join Ellis, Burgess, etc.'"
100% prefer them to go to the NRL
Apart from the fact that it’s the game I support and not the individual players, Rugby Union has a habit of ruining good rugby players. I was talking to a mate of mine at work who (strangely, as he is a normal guy in every other way) is a fan of Rugby Union and we were discussing Jason Robinson. He mentioned that it took Robinson a few seasons to find his kicking game and play like a normal Union full back. I pointed out to him of course that as soon as he became a ‘normal’ Union player, most of his attacking instincts had left him. The reason why Robinson was such a success was that he was a League man playing Union – as soon as he became a Union player playing Union, the game itself drained him of his creativity and attacking instincts
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