Being sent home from work doesn't mean you are not being paid. I'm one of those people.
The hardship is more likely on small traders who have no customers.... Much like Trinity.

But in this case I don't know why a refund is even a discussion. As far as I know the games are being deferred so your season ticket would still allow you to see games later in the year.

I can look at this an be thankful that I'm not still in business with the brewery as this would of shut me down for definite, gawd help the pubs and clubs I fare bet half will struggle to keep going

I understand people will find this difficult and it is down to individual choice, but it's kind of the same choice as when it comes to bulk buying and putting your own selfish needs over other people/local businesses imho - we're all in this together. If you have a family and literally scrimping together every penny then then fair enough, then I wouldn't fault people for asking for a refund - but I can guarantee some people will ask for a refund just because they can....

They do anyway snowie thanks to the likes of asda and morrisons.

A very naive statement. If you are on a zero hours contract like many in the leisure industry you won’t be getting paid. If you are self employed you won’t be getting paid. £94 pound a week statutory sick pay doesn’t go far if you are hourly paid and catch the virus either. And thats without those that lose their jobs altogether.

As for the argument and can see a point and i think plenty will ask for either their money back or a heavily discounted ticket next season. You buy a ticket for an event and in return you expect to see a performance. The season ticket is effectively a 14 game entrance agreement between you and the club and there hsve only brrn two of those provided to date. Theatres are currently closing and cancelling shows, likewise music concerts and people with tickets are rightly being refunded. People with plane bookings are getting their money back as their flights are grounded. Sport can be no different. If the season can be finished then fine, there is no obligation to refund. But if it is forced to be cancelled then the club (and/or even the RFL) should have cancellation insurance in place to cover these losses for instances like these and should be able to offer refunds. Claiming on that means neither party loses out.

Have the government actually banned it though? Or advised people not to go and then RFL/SL have made the decision to stop the games?

If so then insurance won't cover it, much like the theatre business the PM has advised people not to go but hasn't banned it.

They are more or less screwed because they can't claim anything back.

If the governing body shuts down games (and eventually cancels) then that should be enough for individual clubs to invoke an insurance claim. They have been prevented from operating by an external organisation.

As for theatres, pubs etc at this point its not an official ban but it will come as people won’t adhere strictly enough to the guidelines. Give it 3 weeks and most things will be shut down.

I should explained that when I said small traders I meant self employed in any way.
We don't disagree.

Fair enough.

One thing for sure this is going to change the way we live our lives for quite a while and it is likely to be a weird few months.

The smoking ban seemed to be the catalyst for many of the pubs shutting.
Mind you, for the non smokers out there, if Coronavirus doesn't get us, a smoke free world probably means we're going to live that bit longer.

Bugger.....

I was hoping to self isolate in the local.

If I were your good lady wife, I’d isolate you in the cupboard under stairs, how the hell can she possibly put up with you shut inside your home for weeks. Come to think of it, this could be millions of couples getting on each other’s nerves by the end of isolation. At least we could let off steam once a week shouting at James Child or other suitable candidates. Oh happy days, I’m missing them already

I’m often confined to the cupboard under the stairs, apparently the neighbours can hear me sobbing

Self isolation would have been great with sport on TV too.

I was watching ski jumping over the weekend Pop

that’s how desperate it’s got

Used to like watching ski Sunday but for me its gone down hill since the new way of presentation

It's a tricky one. Most people won't because they want the club to survive, but if you are on a zero hours contract, have no money either coming in or in the bank and your rent is due, a refund might just save you from eviction. I get it.

I think we'll be okay. Pubs and cafes just need to get their heads around a 3 month shutdown. The removal of business rates and the cash grants might pay the rent and utiltiies, which will be the only outgoings, so they can just re-open once it's announced that we can all go out and get trashed again. It's the staff who will struggle the most, as I doubt the SSP will come through immediately.

The small self-employed will struggle the most, those who freelance or whatever.

But the summer will end and most of us will still be here. The actual contraction rate is less than 1%.

thats an absolute shocker.

Fair point

not bad for you Snowie

Was it the fact that you are a fan of Ski Sunday that you adopted your "alias", Snowie?

No just my hair going white at early age started at 19 and by mid twenties virtually a full head full