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| Quote ="AS108"I don’t expect any Leeds fan to openly criticise Hetherington but at the same time I don’t understand why it’s so hard to understand? Hetherington has had power and influence that no other club has had thanks to having his mate at the helm. He’s no doubt used this for the benefit of himself and Leeds. He’s hardly going to like losing this power at the expense of other clubs gaining it is he? That’s why he’s had a big tantrum not because he cares for any other club.'"
Go on then list all these bad awful things he's done to benefit Leeds at the expense of other clubs?
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| Looks like McManus has knocked the ball firmly back over the net.
Over to you Gary.
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| Lennagan, McManus, Moran & all their followers want to take £1M of the Central Funding away from the lower tiers of RL & distribute that extra pie between themselves, they will then raise the Salary Cap to *random example* £2.5M thereby ensuring that no lower tier Club will ever be able to compete. Those outside of SL at the change will wither & die as their ambitions will be cut stone dead.
I don't pretend to know too much about Hetherington but surely his condemnation of the plans which would benefit a Club such as Leeds *sharing the extra £1M, demise of lower tier Clubs & therefore having less mouths to feed etc* so why would he vote against more pie ?
My thoughts are initially that he knows it will kill off the roots & foundations creating a house of cards with no solid underpinnings !
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| I seem to remember there was a lot of bleating about the 'smaller clubs' were holding the game back, but maybe, just maybe, it's actually the power struggle between the bigger clubs?
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| Quote ="AS108"Although it’s obviously sarcastic, with that first paragraph you’ve, rather stupidly, backed up my point. The point is Hetherington only cares about Leeds and himself, he couldn’t care less about Super League or the game in general. '"
Every club chairman is looking with their own club's interests first. Any that tells you otherwise is lying.
Quote So you’re suggesting that McManus, Lenagan and Moran are at fault for the demise of SL when they aren’t even in charge of the game? You’re just as much of a fool as Hetherington. Wood, Hetherington and the rest of them have all have presided over the demise of SL considering its collapsed under their watch.'"
You're vastly overstating GH's influence over the RFL, and you're rather lazily blaming the RFL for the games ills.
I'm saying that as stakeholders in the sport, every chairman carries responsibility for the failings and successes of this sport. One of the three you mention has recently spoken of a "special club culture", only to fine two (and effectively sack one) senior players barely more than a week later for abusing two female bar staff. Another one of those men associates his club with a pay day loan company. Another of the supporters of this new structure is currently running around town advertising that this sport is not worth paying to see, whilst others can barely sell tickets either. Another club that supports this idea has to raffle off its stadium sponsorship. None of these are problems created by Wood or GH, they are problems created by the very people who support this structure, who are using the Super 8s as a convenient excuse for their failings, and are criticising the man who runs a very successful club and the only profitable club in the sport.
Quote I don’t even know what to say about that third paragraph. Are you seriously suggesting Leeds could break away from Super League? If true and clubs are 11vs1 on key issues then Leeds don’t have a leg to stand on. Hetherington’s power is diminishing, now his mate has been ousted, and he can’t handle it. You are well and truly deluded if you think that he had a big tantrum for any other reason.'"
No, but what I am suggesting is that GH is not shy of a bit of brinkmanship. Even from this position, do not be surprised if he ends up pulling some very sizable strings. After all, he has a good track record when it comes to bitch-slapping rival club chairmen who bear a resemblance to Eric Pollard. Just ask Chris Caisley how well taking on GH worked for him.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Congratulations on taking a comment out of context.
Look at the parts of the sport that get people excited - that go viral - it's not the big bruising plays, but the flair, the skills and the trick plays. That's what gets people talking about any sport - be that Gridiron, basketball, RL or soccer. It's the Ronaldos and Messis of this world that kids aspire to be, not Jordan Henderson and Eric Dier.
And not withstanding any of that, the NFL reaches hundreds of millions of people in some of the world's biggest media markets. They can afford to be slightly more resistant to change than we can.'"
SO.......to be totally clear, you are of the ilk that prescribes that "watch it once and you're hooked'?
Here....in sleepy NZ.....we have a sports show that is the ONLY sports show on FTA.....and tonight......Friday, they have a regular segment.....[urlhttps://youtu.be/y4J836eVV_o[/url
nuff said...
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| Quote ="AS108"Also, how is it the Chairmen’s fault if crowds are low? What are they supposed to do?'"
They're supposed to market their clubs and attract new audiences.
Seriously, is that question a wind-up?
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| Quote ="Call Me God"SO.......to be totally clear, you are of the ilk that prescribes that "watch it once and you're hooked'?'"
No, and I think you've seen enough of my posts on this issue to see that's not the case. Again you're taking the comment out of context.
What I am saying is that in an era where it is easier and cheaper for businesses to reach an audience, and when social media in particular has made audience attention spans shorter, the sport need to adapt to that.
At the moment we are nowhere near slick enough, attractive enough and, dare I say it, aspirational enough to gain the attention of audiences that advertisers and sponsors want to reach.
Put it about way, if I can create and get approval for an ad in 15 mins and reach 4,000 people in a Northern working class town for less than £200, why would I spend months of negotiating and potentially seven figures sponsoring a sports competition that achives the same?
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"No, and I think you've seen enough of my posts on this issue to see that's not the case. Again you're taking the comment out of context.
What I am saying is that in an era where it is easier and cheaper for businesses to reach an audience, and when social media in particular had made audience attention spans shorter, the sport need to adapt to that.
At the moment were are nowhere near slick enough, attractive enough and, dare I say it, aspirational enough to gain the attention of audiences that advertisers and sponsors want to reach.
Put it about way, if I can create and get approval for an ad in 15 mins and reach 4,000 people in a Northern working class town for less than £200, why would I spend months of negotiating and potentially seven figures sponsoring a sports competition that archives the same?'"
you are my clone and I claim my $5 (in BITCOIN please)
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"They're supposed to market their clubs and attract new audiences.
Seriously, is that question a wind-up?'"
So you don’t think they do that. Look at Koukash at Salford for example, he tried numerous times to bring new fans through the gates and nothing worked. It’s not as simple as marketing their clubs to attract new audiences. Dear me, you are slow.
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| Quote ="AS108"So you don’t think they do that. Look at Koukash at Salford for example, he tried numerous times to bring new fans through the gates and nothing worked. It’s not as simple as marketing their clubs to attract new audiences. Dear me, you are slow.'"
So what, it's the RFL's fault that nobody wants to watch Salford? That the match day experience is crap, that the stadium experience is crap, that the on-field product wasn't as good as what else was on offer in the area? Don't be so simple.
If businesses aren't selling enough of their product, they have to find new customers, they have to adapt to the market or they deserve to die.
Every club has it within their power to do the right things to increase their audience and their revenue. Blaming the RFL is a cop-out.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"So what, it's the RFL's fault that nobody wants to watch Salford? That the match day experience is crap, that the stadium experience is crap, that the on-field product wasn't as good as what else was on offer in the area? Don't be so simple.
If businesses aren't selling enough of their product, they have to find new customers, they have to adapt to the market or they deserve to die.
Every club has it within their power to do the right things to increase their audience and their revenue. Blaming the RFL is a cop-out.'"
Why are we so obsessed by attendances, hardly any teams get 5 figure crowds.
If you are good enough 'on the field' then that's what matters.
In football, Conference side Boreham Wood finished 'bottom of the table' in average attendances (684) but reached the play off final at Wembley ! (shocking, they don't have many fans)
It only looks bad on TV, most new grounds are too big anyway for our sport, and NOTHING will change that. Best sport in the world, shouldn't need marketing, but it's struggling right now for crowds, just like it did in the 1970's. Most SL games are boring/predictable, who's fault is that ? Answers on a postcard to.....
I know what you are saying as regards to 'match day' experience being crap, but that's the English culture for you. When we (Leigh) were in Super League last season, we had 'outside stalls' selling food & drink, a mini fairground, and then fireworks. But most folk didn't bother with it all, and still entered the ground '5 or 10 minutes before kick off'.
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| Yes, I also heard that the quality of food at Leigh was very low. very poor fare indeed...Thank you for confirming that....poor Leigh.
It appears that it is time to put lowly Leigh out of their misery.... If Toulouse don't do it this weekend, Toronto will have to sink to their level and do everyone a favour by finishing them at Lamport....
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'" Quote ="Canoeman"Yes, I also heard that the quality of food at Leigh was very low. very poor fare indeed...Thank you for confirming that....poor Leigh.
It appears that it is time to put lowly Leigh out of their misery.... If Toulouse don't do it this weekend, Toronto will have to sink to their level and do everyone a favour by finishing them at Lamport....
You are welcome everyone.'"
I knew you would come around...even a broken cuckoo clock is right twice a day.
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| Quote ="Canoeman"Yes, I also heard that the quality of food at Leigh was very low. very poor fare indeed...Thank you for confirming that....poor Leigh.
It appears that it is time to put =#FF0000lowly Leigh Leigh out of their misery.... If Toulouse don't do it this weekend, Toronto will have to sink to their level and do everyone a favour by finishing them at Lamport....
You are welcome everyone.'"
& there you have it ....
a =#FF0000Chorley John-ism If ever I saw one !
Please ban this =#FF0000FAKE CRETIN & all his aliases for the good of the site !
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| Quote ="AS108"So you don’t think they do that. Look at Koukash at Salford for example, he tried numerous times to bring new fans through the gates and nothing worked. It’s not as simple as marketing their clubs to attract new audiences. Dear me, you are slow.'"
No answer when I asked what are all these big bad things Hetherington has been responsible for? It's almost like it's exaggerated nonsense.
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| Why are people not talking about the salary cap? Salford wanted to bring in better quality players but they weren't allowed to. Players from Wigan want to go to the NRL because of superior wages but we can't bring any players over here unless they are banned from NRL because of salary cap. Crowds are dwindling because people want to see top quality players and you can't do that with your hands tied. Like Eamonn McManus said the other night "every team should have a Ben Barba" and that is why he wants to change things. It's not the RFL fault Salford are this and Salford don't have that...total rubbish.
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| Quote ="Mash Butty"Why are people not talking about the salary cap? Salford wanted to bring in better quality players but they weren't allowed to. Players from Wigan want to go to the NRL because of superior wages but we can't bring any players over here unless they are banned from NRL because of salary cap. Crowds are dwindling because people want to see top quality players and you can't do that with your hands tied. Like Eamonn McManus said the other night "every team should have a Ben Barba" and that is why he wants to change things. It's not the RFL fault Salford are this and Salford don't have that...total rubbish.'"
Every team can have a Ben Barba if they can afford it? It`s called the "Marque player" is it not?
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| Quote ="Canoeman"Yes, I also heard that the quality of food at Leigh was very low. very poor fare indeed...Thank you for confirming that....poor Leigh.
It appears that it is time to put lowly Leigh out of their misery.... If Toulouse don't do it this weekend, Toronto will have to sink to their level and do everyone a favour by finishing them at Lamport....
You are welcome everyone.'"
=#FF0000Grow up and remain on topic please.
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"& there you have it ....
a =#FF0000Chorley John-ism If ever I saw one !
Please ban this =#FF0000FAKE CRETIN & all his aliases for the good of the site !'"
Unfortunately, multiple log ins is not against the AUP
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| Quote ="Karen"Unfortunately, multiple log ins is not against the AUP'"
Hi Karen,
But derailing the thread (as you've politely urged him to do above) is, I think this might be the 3rd or 4th time he's been told now.
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| Quote ="Mash Butty"Why are people not talking about the salary cap? Salford wanted to bring in better quality players but they weren't allowed to. Players from Wigan want to go to the NRL because of superior wages but we can't bring any players over here unless they are banned from NRL because of salary cap. Crowds are dwindling because people want to see top quality players and you can't do that with your hands tied. Like Eamonn McManus said the other night "every team should have a Ben Barba" and that is why he wants to change things. It's not the RFL fault Salford are this and Salford don't have that...total rubbish.'"
You can raise the salary cap all you want, all it will do is revert the sport back to the 80s/90s when the rich clubs took over. A higher salary cap doesn't mean that clubs can actually afford to pay the higher wages/have a bigger squad. All it will do is bankrupt clubs trying to compete with those lucky enough to have sugar daddies at the helm which really isn't what this sport needs.
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| Quote ="Mash Butty"Why are people not talking about the salary cap? Salford wanted to bring in better quality players but they weren't allowed to. Players from Wigan want to go to the NRL because of superior wages but we can't bring any players over here unless they are banned from NRL because of salary cap. Crowds are dwindling because people want to see top quality players and you can't do that with your hands tied. Like Eamonn McManus said the other night "every team should have a Ben Barba" and that is why he wants to change things. It's not the RFL fault Salford are this and Salford don't have that...total rubbish.'"
I am guessing you are talking about Salford under the good doctor. I think he was all talk. He got his marquee player rule that he wanted and he never used it at all.
I have huge doubts he would have spent big if the salary cap was higher
The myth that higher salary cap will bring in NRL stars needs to stop
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