The administrators get the £150k - the shortfall is just a shortfall. They only get £150k.

The back rent will maybe be covered by reduced central funding in future years. Which, if Fev, Fax or Leigh put up a rival bid in any mini-application, makes for an interesting (if somewhat academic) dilemma - do they base there business plan on what the Bulls would get or on full funding. A more attractive (cheaper for the rest) bid or a stronger one?

Yes, the smaller clubs do overspend. This isnt new information.

Hoping to get bigger and gain greater protection from the RFL - that's prudent isn't it?

On one of them. Regardless, that doesn’t automatically mean someone else is a better bet.

If someone, anyone, were proposing a realistic scenario where Fax, Fev, or Leigh would be bringing in 10k fans, with more room for growth, they had a comparable youth structure or were ready to put one in place, and if they were capable of even getting close to Bradford in the other criteria then I would be in favour of them being replaced.

Ok, long story short. What is the principle of licensing?
Is it to have the best clubs in SL?
Is it to allow clubs to grow?
Is it to give more stability?

You still seem to be criticising the RFL for not following a rule you know didn’t exist.

Im not sure why you seem to value this one criteria over and above everything else. Im not sure why you see this specific criteria as sacrosanct.
I think you are drawing a false analogy, based again on the fact that the RFL haven’t followed a rule you know didn’t exist. It didn’t exist this year, it didn’t exist last year. The RFL haven’t changed the rules. They are following the process they laid out. Maybe a different club would have lead to a different conclusion, I accept that, but this is the process they set down.

If it works, more power to them. Fortunately we have a system in place which allows them to build gradually to that level spending and growing sustainably, rather than focussing on avoiding relegation.

From a purely financial point , it will be cheaper to have the Bulls win the ' mini licence contest ' than a Championship club

How if they are ' demoted ' are the Bulls going to pay back the ' advanced ' SL central funds they have been living on since May ?

I imagine they'll be owed by Halifax by then.

Quote ="SmokeyTA"On one of them. Regardless, that doesn’t automatically mean someone else is a better bet. If someone, anyone, were proposing a realistic scenario where Fax, Fev, or Leigh would be bringing in 10k fans, with more room for growth, they had a comparable youth structure or were ready to put one in place, and if they were capable of even getting close to Bradford in the other criteria then I would be in favour of them being replaced. Ok, long story short. What is the principle of licensing? Is it to have the best clubs in SL? Is it to allow clubs to grow? Is it to give more stability? You still seem to be criticising the RFL for not following a rule you know didn’t exist. Im not sure why you seem to value this one criteria over and above everything else. Im not sure why you see this specific criteria as sacrosanct. I think you are drawing a false analogy, based again on the fact that the RFL haven’t followed a rule you know didn’t exist. It didn’t exist this year, it didn’t exist last year. The RFL haven’t changed the rules. They are following the process they laid out. Maybe a different club would have lead to a different conclusion, I accept that, but this is the process they set down.'" 2 minutes in and to the end, The reason and justification for licencing from the horses themselves. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TxWZqUMc_Q it has just taken me 10 minutes to stop laughing at this total and absolute cock up from all involved in the licensing process and the Independants that were involved.

Quote ="SmokeyTA"On one of them. Regardless, that doesn’t automatically mean someone else is a better bet. If someone, anyone, were proposing a realistic scenario where Fax, Fev, or Leigh would be bringing in 10k fans, with more room for growth, they had a comparable youth structure or were ready to put one in place, and if they were capable of even getting close to Bradford in the other criteria then I would be in favour of them being replaced. Ok, long story short. What is the principle of licensing? Is it to have the best clubs in SL? Is it to allow clubs to grow? Is it to give more stability? You still seem to be criticising the RFL for not following a rule you know didn’t exist. Im not sure why you seem to value this one criteria over and above everything else. Im not sure why you see this specific criteria as sacrosanct. I think you are drawing a false analogy, based again on the fact that the RFL haven’t followed a rule you know didn’t exist. It didn’t exist this year, it didn’t exist last year. The RFL haven’t changed the rules. They are following the process they laid out. Maybe a different club would have lead to a different conclusion, I accept that, but this is the process they set down.'" 2 minutes in and to the end, The reason and justification for licencing from the horses themselves. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TxWZqUMc_Q it has just taken me 10 minutes to stop laughing at this total and absolute cock up from all involved in the licensing process and the Independants that were involved.

This is great isn't it, I have never laughed as much for years. You can feel the RFL media machine cringing as this shambles evolves.

RL a great game born upon integrity, honesty and inclusion is now simply a laughing stock run by idiots.

Quote ="Faxhali"2 minutes in and to the end, The reason and justification for licencing from the horses themselves. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TxWZqUMc_Q it has just taken me 10 minutes to stop laughing at this total and absolute cock up from all involved in the licensing process and the Independants that were involved.'" Fantastic OK Bulls playing at the OK Coral sponsered by OK sauce. You could'nt write a script like that. What a load of Cowboys.

Quote ="Faxhali"2 minutes in and to the end, The reason and justification for licencing from the horses themselves. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TxWZqUMc_Q it has just taken me 10 minutes to stop laughing at this total and absolute cock up from all involved in the licensing process and the Independants that were involved.'" Fantastic OK Bulls playing at the OK Coral sponsered by OK sauce. You could'nt write a script like that. What a load of Cowboys.

So are you saying that basically the company brought in to get the best deal for the creditors has taken all the cash?

So where does everybody else stand, from HMRC with their £0.5M down to the Cheerleaders & their £4k, does this mean they’ll get sod all?

No no no no



They get to watch Bradford rise like a phoenix from the ashes. They can say, "i was there at the rebirth".

Cash? Who needs cash when you're part of an "iconic club".

It means exactly that. Administrator gets paid. Mr Khan gets a SL club for a bargain bin price. Creditors get nowt. Great innit ?

Yup Administrator gets his wedge, and of the -20K left, everyone gets a share of feckall (split proportionatly).

Apparently the Bulls new owner has stated he intends to spend 6 million on Odsal, maybe he could have offered a little bit more than the 150 K ( probably the lowest amount that he was told would cut a deal ) that will now all go to the administrators, nice work if you can get it

Don't they also pay another £100k in a years time? Sure i read that somewhere.

I'm happy my taxes are going to help an "iconic club" rise from the ashes.

I feel Bullish.

The game has deeply embedded trust issues, Maurice Watkins stated as such in his review document after taking over as interim chairman following Lewis's departure. He said....

[iIt is apparent that there are issues around trust which need to be addressed, both in terms of relationships between clubs, and between the clubs and the governing body. There is confusion about where decisions are made and by whom, and a perception that the governing body is not as open as it could be in communicating its decisions and the rationale for making them.[/i

The RFL simply spin everything these days. Remember the new TV deal being hailed as a triumph ? Turns out its exactly the same as the old deal, just as an example.

None of what is now happening should come as a surprise to anyone.

But the RFL make good profits so none of that matters. Please stop criticising the RFL - it upsets people.

You cant run a competition on "it depends" that is just nonsense.
Although there does have to be discression in certain circumstances, there also has to be a set of rules laid down, which form the basis of any competition.
One of the gripes that many people have with SL is the perceived closed shop and the imbalance in the treatment of certain clubs (not just Bradford btw)

What do you think the outside world think of us (the ones that actually notice) ?

Quite simply who might be available to replace the Bulls should not be part of the decision of wether the Bulls retain a licene

Issue 1 ,the Bulls have shown gross missmanagement and brought the game into disrepute , does that disrepute deserve a loss of licence? That is the 1 st issue

Issue 2 , if the Bulls lose their licence, then and only then should the issue of who gets tgeir licence be decided

The RFL are going to use the supposed failings of Championship Clubs as the reason for Bradford to remain in SL, and that is fundamentally WRONG

The RFL executives are well paid, it is their decision, they should not be trying to deflect the responsibilty onto other people at Championship Clubs

Bang on the money Mr Starbug

Mr Khan has stated he intends to invest 6 million pounds into Odsal , will he still do this if they lose their SL licence ?

So the RFL will be judging the Bulls [ complete with all their historical ' plusses ' as well as the requirement to pay back the ' advanced ' monies and now a promised 6 Million investement , against 3 Championship clubs ?

What is the point ?

This thread has degenerated into nothing more than the equivalent of three or four Pythonesque bitter old men sitting in an allotment trying to outdo each other as who feels the most aggrieved about it all. Just run a poll.

I'm focussing on the issue at hand. And it's hardly like I'm pushing some spurious or irrelevant detail.

Licences are awarded based on assessment of [uBusiness Management[/u, Facilities, [uFinance[/u, [uCommercial[/u/Marketing/Community and Playing Strength/Performance. It's a huge facet of licensing and it seems for SL clubs there is no minimum standard. Something of an issue IMO.

A Championship club that had been insolvent since 2008 could not apply for a licence in the current round.



Okay, so there are no rules and this would merely be an obvious breach of principle (perhaps not from your POV, as you seem reconciled with the idea/fact that licensing was always all about pragmatism rather than principle). So we have a system with neither rules nor principles. That can only be a good thing. I mean, is it any wonder the RL family is so dysfunctional?

Unlike SL ,this thread is not a closed shop, feel free to have your twopenneth