Crusaders average at Wrexham to date is 5,208. The Neath figure brought it down a lot. The games down South should never have happened. What is the best they could have expected after taking the club away from the South Welsh public that weren't bothered to support the club in Super League last season.

5,000 is a decent base to build on and I think if the problems of the previous owners can be sorted the Sky is the limit.

Off topic as such but something that really pleases me is the fact all home shirts have sold out with only a few away shirts. Great to see rugby league fans wearing their colours around the town.

All of those crowds will be beaten on Fri night at Neath when Crusaders entertain Quins at 6 PM!!!!!!

I heard yesterday from a very reliable source(not a friends brother either) that Crusaders are in dire straights financially...as are 5 other clubs, 3 in yorkshire(1 ex Humberside), 1 in Manchester and one south of the M62

There was about 400 Salford fans, away to Crusaders that isn't actually that bad is it? Considering they usually bring about 10 fans to us.

They did.

What's worse for me is that they scored 60 and not a single point of that was scored by a UK born player

Yeah right, don't wish to sound arrogant but there is no way we would be looking at signing Willie Mason if we were close to going under.



Quins can never be in dire straights because they've got a long-term financial backer. He goes by the name of RFL.

Never mind keep posting as you're sending the rest of us to sleep

Sadly not although support has been requested recently as it has by other clubs who are in trouble including yours!

Tis true that Wrexham has a much better attendance than South Wales but until the team establishes itself as a North Wales Franchise with regional men in it , many will stay away from the hand-picked, over-paid, law-unto-itself Australian outfit.
A shame really as there is a real interest in Wrexham. What will happen when Crusaders have to toe the money line like all the other Superleague teams? Will the attandance crash when the super australians are not playing?

Crusaders are a breath of Fresh air. When teams that have been established for up to 100 years like Wakey and Salford can still only pull between 3000-5000 fans I think it fully justifies Crusaders inclusion in the top flight. If you also look at the Championship 1 attendances South Wales Scorpions have outperformed most clubs apart from York and Oldham. They get better crowds already that the long established RL teams from Workington, Swinton, Rochdale and league leaders Hunslet. Wales RL is the future.

an alias? im a new member, support widnes vikings and made a valid point. crowds are terrible, a team full of aussies and not a point scored by a brit. seems strange when franchise application states that attendances and youth development must be met to be considered. and it is not a crusader hunt. i agree with expansion and agree with my team being left out last time. however, i look at super league and see teams that were accepted do everything agains what got them accepted. my point today is this is crusaders second season, not first regardless of moving the length of the country and reinventing themselves. progress? none. poor crowds, mismananged as the rumours i am hearing is that they are losing money hand over fist, and a team full of australians. rugby league in wales would be brilliant if it worked. but its time to say it blatantly isnt

The Crusaders will last another 18/30 months , this does not please me one bit

What i find a bit worrying is that there is no marketing from the club what so ever.If you was not a supporter of the club you would'nt of known it was a game on today.It looks like they have give up on it Anyway our youth set up is coming on nicely crusaders under 18's just moved up to the super league academy league and won their first game today beating HUll FC away www.crusadersrfl.com/article.php?id=2270

What i find a bit worrying is that there is no marketing from the club what so ever.If you was not a supporter of the club you would'nt of known it was a game on today.It looks like they have give up on it Anyway our youth set up is coming on nicely crusaders under 18's just moved up to the super league academy league and won their first game today beating HUll FC away www.crusadersrfl.com/article.php?id=2270

With respect it was only a few very short years ago Widnes went bust owing a lot of people including many local small business's money that was never paid back.

Thay have made a great start at Wrexham 9th in the table and with a real chance of finishing eigth and in the play off zone. I'd say what a dazzling success. They will soon surpass Salford and Wakey in terms of support. They have made a solid start at Wrexham.

This is absolutely nowhere near enough to sustain a Super League club long-term. Dread to think what the average will be when the games in Neath are taken into account, you can't just ignore them! There is not enough interest at the moment for Crusaders to be financially viable.

in the region of 10 million pounds , it will fail , I might be wrong , I might be right , only time will tell

Tbf as a Salford fan we took a good away following today 500-600.

Not been on here for a few years. Good to see the shortsightedness of some League fans never wains.

The average crowd is disappointing, yes. However, the move to Wrexham was very much a 'last minute' thing, causing those at the Racecourse to learn and adapt to rugby fans very quickly. In spite of this they are averaging about what Cas, Wakey, Salford and Quins do, all of whom have a fair few years on Crusaders. Are we suggesting that crowd attendance is the be all and end all for Super League clubs?

Let's give it 20 years at least, not 5 or 10. Look long term. Look at the catchment area they have - the only high-profile top level Welsh sports team between Chester and Dublin. The Crusaders in Wrexham will prove to be a huge asset to Super League and the game in Wales - which will benefit our laughable international 'structure' - it just needs time.

Yeah, just hope we take the same to Huddersfield, we usually take a good following to their and create a top atmosphere.

Actually, his initials are DH. The RFL? Are they the same RFL who allow you to flaunt the rules on overseas players? As for your ground.....is the golf stand still in place? How about your clubs finances? Everything tickety boo there is it?
Almost every SL club is in financial trouble.....and a number of these, including Quins remain reliant on the money from a benefactor. Quins RL don't get a penny from the RFL......but I am starting to wish we did.....just to wind principled guys like you


Back on thread.......Crusaders crowds on the road count in their seasons average...as quins did when we had to take games on the road. They will finish the season with a good average due to the visits of HKR and Saints.....they are on 4,800 and I wouldn't be suprised to see them break 5,000 for the season. Given it's year dot for this club in this town, that's pretty good compared to some other older clubs...including my own!

we should not expand EVER unless the RFL has the money available to help out the expansion club over the first 5 years of its life with extra marketing, extra development officers, extra jnrs money etc

You can;t just expect an area with little RL history to suddenly start loving the game then when it doesn;t happen expect the already struggling club to find the big pounds needed to market a new game in a new area. its suicide every time for expansion.

But chissitt, the game is no longer about whether you are good enough on the pitch. This will be confirmed when Widnes get into SL from outside the play-offs in the Championship. RL is now a non sport in that respect.

Bitter? I think so.
Let's kick quins, frogs and cottage burners out........get batley barrow and fax in and tell murdoch to stick his cash up his @rse.....that's the way forward