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| We can do 2 things to improve the refereeing:
1 - Replace Stuart Cummings
2 - Introduce a 2nd on-field ref
The game is far too fast for 1 ref to be able to keep the defence onside and monitor the play the ball. They can't be in 2 places at once.
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| Quote ="Fully"He was taken off because of a foot injury. HTH.'"
=#8000FFIt was more like a foot "injury" he was beyond poor so Pressley replaced him it was as simple as that, the referees physio didn't move from in front of the radio broadcasters, Jamie Bloem mentioned this as a reason for ruling out an injury serious enough to have a ref replaced.
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| Seriously, he really is very poor. I can name at least five other Championship referees who are better qualified than him, IMO at least, to make the step up to SL. Incidentally, the five I could name are cr*p too, its just that they are on a better level of cr*pness than Mr.Child.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"...and don't ask any Leyther what they think of him. In fact several championship clubs had less than positive 'reviews' of his performances'"
Agreed, the 'Fev away match in the NRC still haunts me. He seems to try and let the game flow but quickly loses control of the match and becomes card happy in order to try and calm things down.
I think it great, at least we dont have to deal with him anymore. SL are welcome to him
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| Oh please god no. Quite posibly the worst linesman I have ever seen and now hes a referee??????
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| Everyones always got a problem with the referees especially in the Championship. The best I heard was 'we lost by 6 points only because the ref cheated.......'
Let him have his pop and see what he's like.
Top and bottom of it we need two referees. You shouldn't even need a great standard you just need two.
The refs in SL have been a lot, lot better since the introduction of full time but people still swear they're right even after multiple replays on a big screen.
That is all
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| Excellent news
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| Quote ="Starbug"Excellent news'"
It is for the Championship clubs.
… I’m not normally a ref basher but he is a truly awful ref. I look forward to reading some of the posts on his progress in Super League.
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| Quote ="Dico"Everyones always got a problem with the referees especially in the Championship. The best I heard was 'we lost by 6 points only because the ref cheated.......'
Let him have his pop and see what he's like.
Top and bottom of it we need two referees. You shouldn't even need a great standard you just need two.
The refs in SL have been a lot, lot better since the introduction of full time but people still swear they're right even after multiple replays on a big screen.
That is all'"
The only problem with this is that "the referee at the top end of the pitch is a w*nker" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
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| Quote ="Stealth Comic"The only problem with this is that "the referee at the top end of the pitch is a w*nker" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.'"
"The refeeres are w*nkers"
Simples.
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| Quote ="Dico"Everyones always got a problem with the referees especially in the Championship. The best I heard was 'we lost by 6 points only because the ref cheated.......'
Let him have his pop and see what he's like.
Top and bottom of it we need two referees. You shouldn't even need a great standard you just need two.
The refs in SL have been a lot, lot better since the introduction of full time but people still swear they're right even after multiple replays on a big screen.
That is all'"
Yep, the ref's aren't helped by Eddie and Stevo moaning about every incorrect decision because it makes them seem worse than they are.
The Lee Smith try in the Grand Final is a perfect example. Lee Smith, according to the rules and ref's guidance, was onside, yet Eddie & Stevo were convinced he wasn't and so suddenly it becomes controversial. If that incident had happened at a game without TV cameras it wouldn't have been controversial at all.
From what I see on TV most incorrect decisions are on things like when the ball comes loose in a tackle and the ref has to decide whether it was ripped out or dropped and is usually incredibly difficult to see what really happened in real time. Then all we as spectators see is the super slow mo replay on SKY showing the opposite to what the ref gave which I would imagine in most cases is simply a "best guess".
And despite getting incredibly annoyed at refs when im physically at a game, I usually go home and watch it on TV and begrudgingly admit they're right more often than not.
A 2nd ref monitoring the tackle and play the ball has to be the way forward.
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| Quote ="Pepe"It is for the Championship clubs.
… I’m not normally a ref basher but he is a truly awful ref. I look forward to reading some of the posts on his progress in Super League.
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| Quote ="the artist"think hes reffing the hull derby this weekend'"
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| Saying he is 'awful' doesn't offer much constructive criticism. In my opinion, he doesn't referee with much common sense. He blew up for too many minor things (as mentioned with the Cas game) and just didn't let the game flow at all, very frustrating.
Hopefully he will improve in SL, but I think he might struggle early on. Saying that, Ashley Klein struggled alot early into his SL career but he did improve and won SL ref of the year at one stage.
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| Quote ="BigRob"Yep, the ref's aren't helped by Eddie and Stevo moaning about every incorrect decision because it makes them seem worse than they are.
The Lee Smith try in the Grand Final is a perfect example. Lee Smith, according to the rules and ref's guidance, was onside, yet Eddie & Stevo were convinced he wasn't and so suddenly it becomes controversial. If that incident had happened at a game without TV cameras it wouldn't have been controversial at all.
From what I see on TV most incorrect decisions are on things like when the ball comes loose in a tackle and the ref has to decide whether it was ripped out or dropped and is usually incredibly difficult to see what really happened in real time. Then all we as spectators see is the super slow mo replay on SKY showing the opposite to what the ref gave which I would imagine in most cases is simply a "best guess".
And despite getting incredibly annoyed at refs when im physically at a game, I usually go home and watch it on TV and begrudgingly admit they're right more often than not.
A 2nd ref monitoring the tackle and play the ball has to be the way forward.'"
Agree 100% Rob.
Eddie & Stevo spend far too long debating 50/50s when there's a game going on. A decision was made, lets get on with it.
Aaand, they get 90% of those 50/50s right anyway.
Yes there are bad refs, but no ref ever cheats. Players have bad days, refs have bad days the best team almost always wins anyway
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| Quote ="Dico"Agree 100% Rob.
Eddie & Stevo spend far too long debating 50/50s when there's a game going on. A decision was made, lets get on with it.
Aaand, they get 90% of those 50/50s right anyway.
Yes there are bad refs, but no ref ever cheats. Players have bad days, refs have bad days the best team almost always wins anyway'"
Yep, and the 10% they get wrong there's usually a good reason, like they couldn't see it or it looked like 1 thing happened in real time but in slow mo actually something else happened.
There is an issue with consistency from 1 ref to another which gets people (including me!) annoyed at games, but I think if people look across all sports they will find a problem with consistency of the officials. Whether its football, RU, cricket whatever it is people moan about the refs!
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"except he isnt full time......he is only training 2 days a week, and retaining his job at Leeds City Council.
Wonder what Karl Kirkpatrick thinks about this, seeing as though he had to retire because all refs had to be full time.'"
That’s what I was thinking when I read this, double standards at Red Hall – never.
He always appeared to be a meek little thing when he was running the line. I just hope he doesn’t get too intimidated and become another home town ref.
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| Far too whistle happy when he did our games last year - can't remember the penalty count when we played at Fev, but it was higher than the actual score, put it that way!
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| Your players should learn the rules then.
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| Have you decided against staying away from the Cougars this year Leaguefan?
We all know you'll be down there come game one
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| He will come like rest in a season or too.
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| Quote ="Dico"Have you decided against staying away from the Cougars this year Leaguefan?
We all know you'll be down there come game one
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As stated previously I shall be following the new "Cougars" from the comfort of my living room, TV, Radio, Keighley News and League Express.
My days of going to Lawkholme Lane (Actually the ground was never there it was always on Hardings Road) are gone.
The last period of mismanagement was the straw that broke the camels back.
The only live game of "professional" RL I shall see this season is the Challange Cup Final as that is always booked in advance and after this season I will not be attending that either.
The GAME itself is still great!
How it is run, organised and portrays itself isn't!!!
Hope that clarifys things
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| You'll be there come game one, still a while to go yet
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