Do we really think that a coach with Price's experience doesn't know what he's doing when he replies to a question in that manner? I think that there was a clear message to the player and possibly KF if he was responsible for the signing.

I agree.

This signing sums up everything that's wrong with having that unqualified buffoon Fitzpatrick as our CEO. The man should be first out of the door,........before price.

Quick question, how do you define, an unqualified buffoon?

Please Sir, is it someone on the internet who posts opinions knowing that whatever they say will never be put into practice so can't ever be proved wrong?

Fair point ( as is St. Helen's Wolf's post)

Has he held any other similar positions in a business anywhere? Or is he just an ex player who's been sent on a bog standard training course?

Here’s me thinking he was training on the job.

The good news continues, what a great week it's been.

Won’t be popular probably, but couldn’t agree more with this. Price is getting a lot of stick of late and it’s deserved, but Fitzpatrick for me is just as culpable. The club needs an overhaul from top to bottom and that includes a new CEO too.

So would you rather we brought in a competent outsider, fully qualified with lots of experience in top level sporting organization's?

Like draper was?

Draper wasn't a yes man and he challenged the way the board did things. That's why they got rid. Fitzpatrick knows he is the luckiest man alive to hold such a position so will just toe the line. Would Moran give KF any kind of responsibility at SJM concerts? I highly doubt it.

Its interesting that you say these things, because quite a lot of what kf is trying to do, is exactly what roger also said, in terms of brand awareness, and providing a good alround matchday experience, so.

Saying he wasnt a yes man is a very polite way of describing him and the mess that he left behind, his legacy being a badge that no one loves, very few like and a lot detest, and leaving the club with a significant loss of cash.

I cant deny kf is inexperienced, but i imagine he's on a very short leash from stuart Middleton.

The reason ive questioned you is mainly due to the throwaway comments thats being used this week, kf being a buffoon, and his 'idiotic social media stunts'.

We haven't done ANYTHING this year, clearly its been dialed back, but kf is a fool, cos he's concentrating on winding ppl up online instead of whats going wrong on the field.

Quick question, how does he stack up against saints ceo mike rush? https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/103 ... executive/

Quick question, how does he stack up against saints ceo mike rush? https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/103 ... executive/

Likewise radlinski https://www.wiganwarriors.com/teams/coa ... -radlinski Would lenagan or mcmanus have either of these near their other businesses?

Likewise radlinski https://www.wiganwarriors.com/teams/coa ... -radlinski Would lenagan or mcmanus have either of these near their other businesses?

Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Quick question, how does he stack up against saints ceo mike rush? https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/103 ... executive/'" Saints won the Grand Final in his second season in charge. If KF had already delivered a Grand Final then his background wouldn't be being questioned. The article at the start of this thread about Latu not being fit enough begs some obvious questions, on top of our long-time frustrations about recruitment being poor, on what sort of scouting set up we have? KF is going to get stick, some might be unfair, but that's the nature of being the CEO of a club that repeatedly says its ambition is to be the best, and then repeatedly under delivers.

Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Quick question, how does he stack up against saints ceo mike rush? https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/103 ... executive/'" Saints won the Grand Final in his second season in charge. If KF had already delivered a Grand Final then his background wouldn't be being questioned. The article at the start of this thread about Latu not being fit enough begs some obvious questions, on top of our long-time frustrations about recruitment being poor, on what sort of scouting set up we have? KF is going to get stick, some might be unfair, but that's the nature of being the CEO of a club that repeatedly says its ambition is to be the best, and then repeatedly under delivers.

My point was, its not uncommon for staff to work their way up into such a position

Anyway, enough debate about poorly managed sports clubs, im off to watch Sheffield Wednesday

There not one bit of criticism of KF that’s unfair. He creates his Own problems with his arrogance and unnecessary involvement.

A CEO of any company does not come out an make unnecessary statements andfeel the need to wind up the opposition or brag.

By his own admission our CEO “ searched the whole of Australia and found the best coach” He also is involved in the recruitment of players , who are not fit

Do you really believe Price is involved in the recruitment of players !!!Our CEO can’t help himself being at the forefront of every positive and has a desire to be the vocal point of the club, which for me illustrates arrogance.

Our wonderful CEO who can’t help himself but comment, has said nothing in the last few weeks because he knows!!!. It’s in time’s of crisis and difficulty you hear from a CEO not when the goings good.
Weve heard nothing from KF and he’s a culpable as anyone

No experience as a CEO and it shows now.

Jobs for the boys

This is the giveaway. It's the old "empty vessels make the most noise" adage.

People who constantly have to make public statements reminding people about how big their ambitions are, are either trying to convince themselves, or buy themselves time.

The classic sign of someone who is out of their depth and trying to buy favour with their audience (board/shareholders/public) is this cycle:

1. Talk of great dreams of the future that will excite their audience
2. Share the audiences frustration when the dreams aren't being delivered, and vow that you will do whatever it takes to put things right. This also suggests to the audience that it's someone else's fault, and you're on their side in trying to get to the bottom of the problems.
3. Return to 1.

You see it from politicians as well.

The problem with this approach is with each repeat of the cycle, when the results don't live up to the expectations they have created themselves, fewer and fewer people believe them.

KF is getting more heat from fans now than he did a couple of years ago, because we've had a few repeats of this cycle. When we hear the same "media lines" from KF again at the end of this season about how performance was unacceptable and we have to do better in 2021, our goal is to be one of the biggest sporting brands not just in SL but in sport, even more will start to be sceptical.

Then you get guys like Andy Gatcliffe, who had less to say for himself, but he improved the club a lot so he didn't need to talk anything up.

Our recruitment has been a bit hit and miss to put it mildly, a couple of gambles on overseas signings but fundamentally the lack of prop cover for Coops and Hilly has been evident for a couple of years now and from what I can see Latu is not looking like the answer.
Who exactly is leading the recruitment dept and who are they answerable and what were their objectives set in their last assessment review ?

Is it only me who think we actually lost out letting Tasi go for Latu....and George King for Tasi.

We haven’t been stagnated in the props in the last 3 seasons, we seem to have actually gone backwards, and that’s more alarming.

The whole team has gone backwards Duckie.

The golden rule still applies that the pack wins the game and the backs decide by how much.
If the best spine in SL by some distance is ineffective behind a injury/suspension hit pack...it only strengthens that rule if thumb.

Tasi turned out to be a waste of space but at least George King could be relied upon to give it his all.