Doesn't suit the mentality of the British "arrogant git, who does he think he is", when somebody has great confidence in themselves.

As for not being able to defend, these wonderfully knowledgable people who obviously watched Warrington every week, understood that the whole of the left edge was a problem, defensively. This has know been rectified, Penny is learning in the reserves, bearing in mind he had played a couple of seasons, in total prior to his first team debut.

As for 'EPIC FAIL', I sincerely hope he rams it down your throat, as genuine attacking threats are in abundance for England, aren't they?

To utilise the venacular of the teenager, which appears to be someting the OP is familiar with; what a loser.

Which Calderwood have you been watching then?

Penny has been captaining the reserve side, is playing very well and still has the enthuiasm and skill we know he's got. Tony Smith isn't rushing him and rightly so. His time will come.

Why would I be annoyed if Kevin Penny manages to correct the serious flaws within his game and goes on to become a successful SL and international player? It's not like team GB has good wingers queuing up to play for it.

I agree with the assessment that Penny has gone backwards from his starting position as a speedy and dangerous broken-field runner with serious defensive weaknesses - but that's a side issue. The PROBLEM here is the legion of RL fans (of all flavour - not just Warrington) who seemingly take pride in their ignorance of the game and demonstrate it repeatedly by making outlandish predictions of greatness based on a handfull of games whilst sweeping legitimate and obvious criticisms under the carpet like stale breadcrumbs.

I lost count of the number of crackerbrained fans who advocated Penny on the wing against AUSTRALIA despite the fact that in several matches he was responsible for as many tries the opposite way as he scored. At times I wondered whether some weird kind of collective hallucination had taken hold of the site.

The truth is far too many fans just can't be bothered to appreciate anything beyond catching and running and scoring. Mysterious terms such as "defence", "workrate", "positioning" etc. are assumed to be black magic - best left well alone.

Really? We played the Kiwis the year he made his breakthrough, and by the time the World Cup came round nobody was calling for him to be in there.

Also, in that first year, he really wasn't a major liability in defence. That came later.

John Clarke would be a good example of that, slated by the majority of Wire fans for his attacking play yet his defence is probably 2nd to none at wire (yet no appreciation)

Me thinks not.

Mugwump in "I'm an arrogant ars* who knows more far about the game than all of the other idiots on here, and by the way, did I ever mention I'd been here since the beginning?" shocker!

The only epic fail around here is that smug saddo.

Strangely it came with us putting 3 brand new players alongside him on the left side, one of which has reaaaaaaaaally struggled and caused problems all round.

Mugwump thinks not, therefore you are wrong.

So what about your point that people wanted him in against the Aussies, despite the fact that we didn't play the Aussies? That suggests your memory isn't that great, so pardon me if I don't take your opinion that seriously.

Apparently had a right mare in the ressies today, making countless errors.

Call him all you want but he's the only winger GB have who could terrorise the Aussies.

LOL

name another

Did I say there were any others?

But please tell me how Penny, who isnt even good enough for SL, would terrorise the aussies

He's the only british winger who is really really rapid and can finish from distance. He has his flaws but can win matches.

Case in point of Mugwump's original post.

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Good luck to the lad, I hope he keeps his enthusiasm. For a useless liability, he's got a lot of talent.

And the flaws are he can LOSE you matches. Aside from the fact he often commits himself far too early (making him vulnerable to a winger stepping toward the posts or the cut-out pass) there is a Mark Calderwood aura about him (before Calderwood sorted his game out) whenever he receives a kick (high or low). Between leaping and catching like one of the greats and dropping the ball without a finger laid on him pretty much anything can happen. Like Calderwood his results are similarly spectacular either way.

After visiting countless British and Australian RL forums over the years I've found that the biggest difference between the two sets of fans relates to player weaknesses. Aussie speccies seem far more clued up when it comes to a player's game and they are rarely inclined to brush problems under the carpet because of some positive element of the player's repertoire. I get the feeling that many SL fans would dismiss hooks instead of hands if the player in question could run the 100m in under 10.7 seconds. Why this is I have no idea. But their game is better off for it.

I mean, they'd laugh their asses off if it were mentioned that Penny gets into the FIRST TEAM, let alone the rep side.

he has gone to Widnes on loan now www.therfl.co.uk/superleague/new ... p?id=14111

he has gone to Widnes on loan now www.therfl.co.uk/superleague/new ... p?id=14111

Penny gone on loan to Widnes. Along with Steve Pickersgill. For a month.