why do you think at least 3 more years in the championships with no guarantee of promotion would have helped crusaders get a new stadium and be better placed to succeed?

Well it couldn't have gone much worse than it did , could it ?

In a new stadium they might have drawn better support from both fans and sponsors and become viable SL material , you know , like other Championship clubs did ?

You think that it's bollox that times and circumstances change? You think that times and circumstances remain constant? Chance for a cheap joke about a club there, but I'll leave it.

Why would you think that I think their application featured going into administration in it? Are you convinced that they're genuine plans were to move to a stadium that was never going to get built, and that's the same as Cas and Wakey?

The request was for sports. It wasn't limited to sports where teams have their own assigned stadia and are relevant to Starbugland (both are relevant in normal Britain) and not played in the US and Japan.

They can be brought into the league or removed from the league.

Indeed. For rugby league: with friends like these, who needs enemies?

Are attendances really higher? is this year a record so far???If you had 8k on paying full price and now have 11k paying much reduced fee how is that a gain cash wise?quickest way to the poor house

How is the tv deal worth more when they accept less each deal,please explain that one

Like I said come on name these new clubs with there wealthy backers queing up to play our sport?

We get more exposure,really,hidden behind the red button on sky sports 4,more money,please tell us what extra money we get for moving our games to a thurday night? please tell me how much we get from sky owning the rights to the lower leagues even though we were told for years we were not included in any tv deal so there fore we don't get any,ah then we get a tv deal sorted only for sky to wave there contract showing they have the rights due to the tv deal??

So you wonder why teams outside of super league are so ssed off with the whole set up

People keep dismissing the gains union are making year on year,there prem crowds are growing clubs are expanding there grounds to get fans in,no need to mention a international fixture list on a permament basis grossing millions after millions,yep we will continue on believing everything is hunky doray

:17zp92wjthis season is only a few games old, it would seem silly to use it for any comparison. Last year more people watched a live game of professional domestic rugby league than before.

:17zp92wjthey havent accepted less each deal. God Knows where you made that little nugget up from.

:17zp92wjI just did for you sweetheart.

:17zp92wj

you have made every single part of this up. The championship game isnt screened 'behind the red button'. They werent included in the TV deal a separate TV deal was done specifically for the championships. There was no tv deal sorted and sky waiving their contract showing they have the rights. That is all just in your imagination.

:17zp92wjbecause like you they are stupid and make things up then get all in a tizzy because of the things they have made up.

we are also growing. we need to do more, but cutting back to the heartlands isnt going to do that

Have the Governing body killed our game? I panicked for a bit there but no, I have done a bit of research and I can confirm that the game is still alive and there are a number of fixtures going ahead next weekend so you can relax

Best comment I've seen on VT in a long time. What's most frightening though is that the RFL seem to have lost sight of this simple fact!

You haven't actually read the rest of the thread, have you.

No they haven't, they know that die hard fans like Starbug and others go to watch what's on the pitch and don't care what kind of facilities there is or what the stand is like. They also know that a lot more people are swayed by such matters.

* Worcestershire County Cricket Club (1899)
* Northamptonshire County Cricket Club (1905)
* Glamorgan County Cricket Club (1921)
* Durham County Cricket Club (1992)

i think Starbug and Maurice had a chat at about 1pm Saturday, Starbug said to Maurice "i'm bored with nothing to do", Maurice replied with "don't worry, I will sort something out that will last you days and fill every waking minute".

That is probably so true

But the discussion was about promotion and relegation, not removal and creation, that is entirely different



The County Championship Division 2 (2000)

England's national cricket team then improved over the next 5 years to rise up the rankings and win their first ashes series for 18 years

Why would you think the discussion was limited to that route of entry or exit for teams in a sporting competition?

It came from the statement "Any sport which allows the decisions for competition placings to be decided behind closed doors in a boardroom instead of on the pitch has lost all legitimacy as a sport."

No reference to multiple tiers within those sports, or P&R.

I think that the Super League is in a great position at the moment, unfortunately the National Leagues are not. Couldn't be bothered to read beyond the first 3 posts as it got the Virtual Terrace virus (like most threads do). It will be interesting to see how the league will look in 10 years time.

As a Wakey fan I am sort of looking forward to a stint in the national leagues, nothing about our current situation indicates we should be playing in Super League, maybe in a years time that might all change. My only worry is that heartlands clubs like us and the rest won't get a look in next time round. I just can't trust Richard Lewis and his cronies at Red Hall, after the countless blunders that the sport has encountered during their reign.

I wish the RFL would be crystal clear on their motives and not keep fans in the dark. For example why bother letting certain teams apply for a SL license when there isn't a hope in hell of getting one.

Which are? I suppose you could start with letting Wakefield into SL as a blunder but I think that was before Mr Lewis' time.




So you would be happier if only Widnes were allowed to apply for a licence? Of course not, you would be complaining as to why other clubs weren't allowed to apply. If a club doesn't have a hope in hell of getting a licence it's because there is a better club that will get one.

I have two questions regarding this port

Firstly, what are these countless blunders that the RFL leadership has made since Richard Lewis has been in charge?

Secondly, what do you suppose the reaction would be if the RFL actually told clubs that they were not even allowed to apply for a licence?

Me and ' Mo ' colluding ,? No chance

As usual a post starts a thread , and that thread ' spawns ' an argument sometimes far from the o/p

Then opinions on that ' subject ' are given , nobody ever changes their opinion , we just all spar with each other trying in ever more tenuous ways to prove our point

Good innit

My ' negativity ' is only matched by equal amounts of ' blind faith ' displayed by others , the truth is probably somewhere in the middle , but how boring would that be