Its easy to make gains in boom years, but taking away P&R, more clubs going bump, not controlling imports and a poor international product due to a lack of vision from the top making our great game a laughing stock - time for a change in direction and leaders imho before its too late

you don't support Leigh do you by any chance?

Yep he does.

No. The game's the strongest it's been in my life-time. Your club might not be though.

How many football teams go bust every season?

all of them could!!!!

none are making money and some could be trading illegally!!!

Aye, lets go back to the 70's and 80's when the game was so well run...

Maybe thats because there's nothing to really strive for in the championship. No where to go unless you're hand picked to SL by the bodies at the RFL.

Bring back P&R plz, makes both the top end of the championship more exciting as well as the bottom end of SL.

I'm sure they will when the time is right.

There will never be a right time

In your cynical opinion.

It would require a TV deal keeping the SL clubs roughly where they are currently with regards Salary Cap , and a Championship deal of around 40/50 percent of the SL one

Is that going to happen ?

THAT's a bit a priori.

Just because you've stated those conditions does not mean it's the only way to get P&R back.

I don't remember the Championship clubs needing a deal of 40/50% of the SL one when there was P&R before?

It's because Starbug's just concocting conditions to support his faulty conclusion.

Your sig is rough mate, rough.

The Championship clubs don't , it's the SL expansion clubs that need it when they get relegated

Licencing is there to protect expansion , not protect Championship clubs from promotion

It does both.

You suggest that licensing protects Championship clubs from promotion ?

Well yes you are correct it does

The trouble with P&R is the boom and bust mentality that it generates.

Most SL player contracts are sorted out by mid-season. So any player who's told he won't be getting a new deal will know usually by Aug, which means he'll have his agent talking to other SL clubs. As there was no way of knowing which team would have come up under the old P&R system due to the unpredictability of play-off football, so the club that DOES come up only gets the scraps, so they are on the back foot before they've even started their SL campaign.

So the club that comes up is already weaker than the other teams in SL it terms of recruitment AND the fitness level between Championship and Super League. And very often the club that came up were the whipping boys.

The current way is that the club that's coming up will know, I believe, in April. So they've plenty of time to get themselves ready for SL and have a fair chance at any free agents and means that the club that comes up has a fighting chance.

Where Widnes the ' whipping boys ' in 2002 ? , Huddersfield in 2003 ?, Salford in 2004 ?

When the Championship ( NFP/NL 1 as was ) season finished in July , there was no problem , when the season was put back to October , then we started to have problems , so the answer would be ?

You state ' The current way ' , what current way , you mean this year , after this year there is no guarantee that a club will ever be allowed to come up again , if the new TV deal gives the SL clubs more money ( which let's face it , most of them need it to stay in business ) , then the gap between the Championship and SL will grow even bigger

So the problem isn't going up , it's dropping down , that is why we have a ' Licence ' system , to protect the clubs ( Expansion mostly ) at the top , not the ones at the bottom

since semi automatic P+R was scrapped two clubs in the top flight have gone bust (one of them twice), the "mentality" remains and this myth along with a few others is trying to cover up that it was all done to protect those in the top flight from playing in the second one, something that has been made much harder by recent changes to the structure

No the governing body hasn't by itself killed off the game, but they have assisted the SL towards doing that with their softly softly " you can get away with murder approach"!!!

Even now have they have not realised that something is wrong overall.

If Sky EVER pull the plug , and look at how they promote and cover the other code compared to ours, then the pro game in this country is finished.

Championship clubs are not currently big enough to play in Super League, end of story. Trying to pretend they are and contrive a system of P&R with seemingly no logical basis is just completely stupid. As for the OP - you're a clown.