And these 'ultra credible individuals' have a chance to prove they are 'ultra credible' that the change of stadium is going to happen, that the marketing plan is going to work and the club is financially secure through the franchise process. But only they can do this, and whether they do or dont do this is solely down to them and has sod all to do with Crusaders or any other club.

No that's Savilles job!

I never mentioned Crusaders except to say I think they'll remain in SL?

It isnt Savilles job to create and evidence Wakefields franchise bid. They give the RFL an opinion on certain aspects of it, but they neither prepare the bid or judge it, so im not sure what you think is Savilles Job

you have spent a whole thread here moaning about them.

Delusional!

Bye!

An individual such as Andrew Glover has the resources and the business & managerial acumen to deliver the much needed stadium for Wakefield.

He has a (potential) ready made solution with Newmarket, should that get the green light from the PI. However should the PI go against the trust and WT the government office has to suggest a suitable site as part of their refusal for the current site. Should this happen I'm sure Mr Glover could "move the plans" to the suggested site/develop his own plan (which I believe he is already doing as a contingency plan).

If you look at the amount of companies under AG's direction and their individual/combined value a project such as a community stadium may be equal/smaller than some of his large glass production facilities when you consider the value of the machinery to make the facility profitable.

If you have a proven track record of successful business ventures and a good credit rating raising £15M may not be as hard as some (Richard Wright) would have you believe.

Yes Wakefield have been mismanaged for years, who has born the brunt of this? Us the WT fans! Have we ever seriously brought the elite leagues credibility into question? No. Have we ever finished bottom of the pile? No. Granted we've never won any silver wear but we've dam well give SL it's fair share of tooth and nail performances, showing the grit and determination that makes our game great. All we want is 3 more years to carry on this fresh start!

I thought hybrids were the future? Toyota seem to be doing well.

Nah they keep breaking down and being re-called becuase they are not proper cars, not whole if you like.

I like my hybrid club, it's better than your sh*t one.

If I remember rightly the Prius recall was to do with the edging of the carmats fraying and wrapping round the brake/accelerator peddles.

You would young fella, like you its got no history

Not too sure about the defects, could be two parts into one that caused problems, due to using cheap throw away parts.

They didn't take two cars and make them into one though. They took an electric motor and a petrol motor and made them work effortlessly together.

It was [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8505402.stmfloormats[/url that caused the mass recall. Something pretty insignificant really.

call me old fashioned roofs, but I don't think I want to trust a wakefield calculation just yet

Really?

Championship: 1911–12, 1912–13, 1914–15, 1928–29, 1929–30, 1948–49, 1961–62 (7 times)
Challenge Cup: 1912–13, 1914–15, 1919–20, 1932–33, 1944–45, 1952–53 (6 times)
All Four Cups: 1914–15
Division Two Championship (including Northern Ford Premiership): 1974–75, 2002 (twice)
Division Three Championship: 1991–92
Divisional Premiership: 1998
Yorkshire Cup (rugby union): 1889–90
Yorkshire Cup (rugby league): 1909–10, 1911–12, 1913–14, 1914–15, 1918–19, 1919–20, 1926–27, 1931–32, 1938–39, 1950–51, 1952–53, 1957–58 (12 times)- record
Yorkshire League: 1911–12, 1912–13, 1913–14, 1914–15, 1919–20, 1921–22, 1928–29, 1929–30, 1948–49, 1949–50, 1951–52 (11 times)

Fartown. Team of all talents. Tony Johnson. Barracudas. Arena 84. 1993 European Cup

. Mick Murphy. I've watched this club since I was 3, and I've seen more good times than you'll ever see, not always winning, but we're a club with a proud record, history, and heritage. One thing we've got on you is we're the home of Rugby League. We're both clubs steeped in History, we've moved on to a Better Stadium, Better Team. You haven't.

Different clubs you daft bugger!

....about 10 years then...

He just can't get his head around it can he, bless him.

i don't think our ground is good enough for the pennine league

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Still peddling your special brand of claptrap on here I see - get a girlfriend or a boyfriend or just a pet and get out more.

All the above is true, but our forum is still an oasis of sanity compared to the loons who inhabit the VT.

As for the original point, I have never seen any evidence that suggests the RFL want us out. They have in fact given Trinity the benefit of the doubt on numerous occasions.

However that's a separate issue to whether Harlequins and Crusaders get special treatment or are worth the effort.

They do get special treatment, this is no secret - you would expect such for a development team.

My gripe lays with London in particular and whether they are still worth the effort - at what point do they cease to be a development club. They are 30 years old ffs and are going backwards and have been for years. No ground of their own and never have had, a subsidiary of a RU club with attendances that simply cannot sustain a club in the long term. Of course all the SL apologist will be on this post telling me how I'm to dumb to understand and how apparently you have sludge in your ears if you don't accept their theory. That is the kind of mind numbing nonsense peddled on here and puts many off joining the debate and allows some utter rubbish to go unchallenged.

For what it's worth what RL needs IMO is a big man to stand up and say RL in London has not worked and looks unlikely to succeed in Wales. Then add from now on we will concentrate all effort in the North of England and the South of France where people actually want the game. We need to leave the egotistical fantasy world we are in at the moment and accept the game we actually have/had and not the one the Walter Mitty's on here think we should have.

I wouldn't mind but I've met very few people involved in/fans of the game who ever showed the slightest interest in expansion - more a bossy bunch of wanabies who have imposed their desires on the rest of us - which is very typical.

I'd love the RFL to poll every RL club and ask the simple question - do you want to expand the game by adding new non heartland clubs to SL - OR - keep the game within it's traditional boundaries and the preserve of traditional clubs.

I don't think the expansionist brigade on here would like the resounding NOI reckon they would get to expansion. However they would quickly re-group and brand the majority as idiots and themselves as the misunderstood chosen ones - that is what fanatics do.

Point of order.
1. We were given dispensation to have more foreign players when we "started".......
2. We were voted back into SL when we went under in 2005
3. This year, the RFL has agreed to assist in Marketing.

The way you use "special treatment" makes it sound like Quins or Broncos before them have received extra cash, they havent. Received assistance in their development and community programmes, they haven't or been afforded any other "favours" which they haven't.
Crusaders being lent cash is between them and the RFL.......DON'T ATTEMPT TO TAR US WITH THE SAME BRUSH.

As I have said, deal with your problems.......don't try to deflect from them by muddying the waters and pointing at anyone else. It does you or your club no favours.
1,673 on FB.......going great guns

Oh now come on....

proof?
BTW....looks like they will move and rename in the near future.......get your heart pills ready roofs

We have a saying up here - "The proof is in the pudding".

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WTF?!!!





What to now?

I'm concerned you're soon not going to be able to fit the name on the shirts - Fulcrubronquins Experiment is already a long enough name as it is.





* No clue what it means mind.

Good to have you back Gutterfax