crowds.

Nope.

I'm not sure about Wakey, but in Cas they are letting Cas take out finance against the land the Cas swimming baths are currently occupying...

In Cas' case, yes. As mentioned above this land and the land the stadium is built on are not the same.

Wakefield Trinity have increased their crowds every year for the last seven consecutive years. Like every other town or city in the world Wakefield is suffering from the effects of the recession.

If crowds is your only criteria for saying that Wakefield have gone backwards then I am astounded by your ignorance on this matter.

The club have made massive strides forward over the last few years in every aspect that you can measure. They have done this in spite of having some poor facilities God knows how well they would have done if they had state-of-the-art facilities to work with.

Trinity is under 18 academy sit proudly at the top of the table and there are some outstanding young players in that team who will make the grade and step up to the super league.

The first team squad is now dominated young English talent as opposed to the ridiculous number of overseas players they had four or five years ago.

The community department is immense and has competed for awards with the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea Premier league football clubs.

Since the financial meltdown of 2002 Wakefield Trinity rugby league club has been run on a tight budget and within its means. We no longer carry huge amounts of debt like many other clubs who are chasing the dream.

The stadium, while not being state-of-the-art, has been improved over the last five or six years.

We are every bit as likely to achieve our goal of a new stadium as any other club named on the list of five.

On the field of play, where like many others I feel is the only area of real importance, Wakefield went very close to making the play-offs last year. This year Wakefield have remained in a play-off position for almost the entire season.

Since the million pound game against Castleford, Wakefield have gone from strength to strength on the field and haven't flirted with what would have been a relegation place.

I'm not sure about your post


Did you mean to say
"that in Castleford, the council are allowing Castleford Tigers RLFC borrow against the collateral currently available from the land where there is currently a public Swimming baths"?
If so, clever bit of financial wheeling dealing........let's hope it comes off!

That’s the case with Wakefield too. The land provided to use as collateral is not the land that the stadium will be built upon.

But why not just groundshare and both get the best stadium possible?

This has been covered 100's of times.

and.......apart from the usual b0ll0x about 2 different clubs/merger conspiracies/my dad would turn in his grave...etc....I have yet to hear 1 proper, commercial reason for this not to happen.
Seriously, 1 x 20k seater stadium would be more beneficial to the area than 2 x 13 seater stadiums. 26 weekends + of full use rather than 13 weeks each? There's one commercial reason FOR.......let's have one commercial reason AGAINST.....

Still, carry on and WHEN it all goes pete tong, don't say you weren't warned

I think the vast majority of Cas and Wakey fans are open to the possibility of a groundshare, where nobody agrees is the location.

Personally I think Glasshoughton is the perfect location - in Cas and in Wakefield. Anywhere out of Cas and it might as well be a Wakefield stadium... it wouldn't have any identity to Castleford Tigers. Wakey fans, of course, will disagree

Compared to how Craven Park was when they first entered Super League a lot of work has been done, this includes a lot of work to improve facilities for many disabled spectators, I minority I know. They cannot be knocked for effort and for the fact that they are still listening.

As it turns out its Castleford, Wakefield and Salford who have been warned.

What annoys me a bit is that people tend to think any stadium that is not built in the last 10 years cannot possibly be up to standard which is completely wrong. With thought and work you don't need a new super stadium and it will be sad to see some of the traditional RL grounds we know and love lose their identity in many ways.

Just my opinion but I feel strongly about it.

Certainly would. Tickets will be highly sought after if there's only 13 for each game! Can't see that meeting the licence requirements either...

I imagine both stadiums are hoping to be in use for more then 26 weeks of the year in one guise or another.

Also as my point before, with SL expanding, is it viable to have two teams operating out of the same stadium? If expansion wasn’t such an issue then perhaps I would feel a little more comfortable in stadium sharing, but as it is, all that will happen over time is a merger.

Says it all really Adey.

I will overlook the fact that you know precisely nothing about the situation that both clubs find themselves in and just offer you one little nugget - The position of the Wakefield club is that we believe that our proposal is deliverable, and in the required timescale (albeit we are all suffering from the credit crunch etc). Our ground, should it happen, would be available to all sporting bodies in the Wakefield district as it will be a 'Community' stadium - i.e. built under the Community Trust and therefore not belonging to WTRLFC. The last I heard from Cas' was that Wakefield Trinity did not figure in their plans.

There are very good reasons (even if you don't agree with them) for both clubs striving to have their own stadia. I would very much hope that we do both get new grounds but, should we not achieve that goal, then there is at least one opportunity left for both clubs - although it may not be the preffered option for either!

Seriously though, 12 rounds each + the 2 derbies played to a full house and challenge cup semi potential would seem to me to make commercial sense.
To the poster who says the grounds will individually be in use if built seperately? Do you think 13 weeks a year at 6k (let's say 10k at best) with the other 3/4 of the year playing to gates of a few hundred is viable when talking about a new stadium? Look at Wendyball. "Tournaments" all over the place at the moment to make stadiums viable. Sorry, but I have yet to hear 1 commercial arguement for 2 stadiums that outweighs the arguements for a joint venture. A shared ground, with shared (50/50) ownership would work and would put the likes of Odslum in the frame. 2 origami stadiums and you end up with neither team being in the top flight. IMO that is.

Predictions

Simple yes or no to whether these teams will get replaced in 2012.

St Helens - No
Celtic - No
Wakefield - No
Castleford - No
Salford - Yes

Stick it in Scotland.

crowds are down quite a bit. other SL clubs crowds have held up fairly well.

the club promised the RFL they would be getting a new stadium

they have buckleys chance of getting one.

do the math.

I repeat - you have no knowledge of which you speak. Let the real people do the work and we'll leave you to play your fantasy RL!

St Helens - No
Celtic - No
Wakefield - Yes
Castleford - Yes
Salford - No

Ignorance nothing more nothing less!

Let's just ignore all of the other things listed in my previous post and the many other positive things that the club are doing, accept your opinion that everything is falling apart at Wakefield Trinity and give up.

=violetWhat Math, what the hell are you talking about?

The most overwhelming point from this, and one people seem to be missing, is that there are 3, possibly 4 clubs in super league who, based on the infamous criteria, shouldn't be there! Question is, were they put into super league so the RFL could justify the place of clubs they wanted in there. If this is the case then the whole licensing system is a sham and it strikes me the RFL have issued these warnings to save face somewhat. I think we all know the fabric of super league will not change and there will continue to be clubs just as capable of doing a job left in the championship. There are clubs really improving themselves and playing in good stadia in that league you know.....

But so was your last one that was thrown out by the planning authorities