Northampton offered Ashton more than double what Wigan offered to retain him. This implies his Wigan contract was expiring, otherwise Wigan wouldn't have needed to make such an offer. Karl Pryce was likewise out of contract at Bradford. That's 3 out of the 4 whose contracts were up, though I can't find information on Myler's status before his move.

Clearly then, players under contract would not have an option of moving to RU unless a transfer was negotiated with their SL club, which would be the new one if they were picked in an expansion draft. Therefore expansion drafts are feasible in RL and would bolster the squads of new teams being added to SL.

So what you are saying is all players signing SL contracts would have to be prepared to move to another part of the country against their wishes and also the club with that players registration would have to allow them to move without recompense

Yeah right

Do they get lots of flying pigs round your way

If a player were transferred from Warrington to Hull he'd have to go in order to keep playing, right? The principle is the same in an expansion draft.

As for players being allowed to move without recompense, either you want new teams to have the opportunity to be competitive and succeed or you don't. A league is only as strong as the teams comprising it, do you want SL to be strong or weak? If someone (such as Leighton Samuels) is willing to invest a million pounds or more and join the RL family is it in the interests of established clubs to help him make a success of it, or are you suggesting they'd be better off if he fails and the club folds? The league could always charge an expansion fee to compensate the existing clubs, if anyone would be willing to pay such a fee to join SL. I don't know that it's strong enough for that now though.

Playing yes , paid no , if he's signed a contract with Warrington then Warrington would still have to pay him whether he plays or not

What you are suggesting is not viable or possibly not even legal

Huh?? Why would the player's contract would stay with Warrington if they transferred him elsewhere??? That would be crazy!


Since the league decides the rules the competition is run under, I see no reason it wouldn't be both legal and viable. Their rules govern both clubs and players.

So you are saying that if Martin Gleeson had said no I am not going to W1g4n I have a contract at Warrington and I and they will honour that contract he would have still moved to W1g4n

2 nd point yes but do you understand how a draft system works , in the NFL players dont ' draft ' from one NFL club to another

They move from an amatuer

college system to a professional competition

If they say sorry I dont want to play for team ' a ' , they dont

I'm saying that if the two teams have agreed on a transfer of his registration, then his contract is transferred to the new team just like in any other pro sport. At that point his contract would be with Wigan, not Warrington unless he had a clause allowing him to turn the move down.


Of course I understand how the drafts work, they're commonplace in this part of the world. What you're describing is an entry draft, not an expansion draft. They're similar but different.

Every expansion of every pro league in North America since 1960 has been accompanied by an expansion draft. The established teams protect most (usually about 3/4) of their players who are exempt from the draft, while the rest are available for the new one(s) to draft. There is also a limit on how many can be drafted from each established team, (usually 1 or 2) so the potential impact on them is minimized.

There are occasional instances of players refusing to join the team that drafted them. That team still holds their playing rights in the league, and no other league team can sign them without negotiating their release from that team. The team can make the player sit out until he decides to join them, or trade him to another team if they think that's a better option. That happened in the NFL in 2004 after San Diego drafted Eli Manning, who had previously said he did not want to play for them. They traded him to the New York Giants for Phil Rivers and two of the Giants' picks in the 2005 NFL draft. The Chargers held Manning's NFL playing rights until the trade was finalized.

If you sign a 4 year contract to play a sport for a club , the club either have to get you to agree to move or they must continue paying you

They cannot just say we have sold you to club B , off you go

If however a player says I no longer wish to play the sport you play but I want to go and play sport Z , the club cannot prevent him , they can sue him , but they would not be in a strong position to win , Sonny Bill Williams springs to mind

For a draft system to come into operation in this country would need a complete change of the system of junior development

And that will not happen , so in all honesty it is a pointless discussion

Are you saying all contracts have no-transfer (or transfer-only-with-consent) clauses? Or is getting them to agree just a courtesy from the club? No-trade clauses are the exception in North American sports, only select players ever get them included. The others can be traded to another team whenever management thinks it will help their team.


On the contrary, when Canterbury sought an injunction to stop the move Toulon soon coughed up a [ide facto[/i transfer fee for Williams.

Not ' all ' contracts no , many will have certain stipulations as regards certain clubs or certain amounts of money being put up front before a player can speak to another club or where a club will request that a player move

These will work both ways depending on the profile of the relevant club and the players involved ,

The bottom line is it is all down to the amount of money the players are paid , and there isn't enough in RL to force players to go where they dont want to

It would never work

Sorry if i'm repeating any part of an earlier post but i didnt read the last 9 pages!
Why oh why didnt the rfl keep the millenium magic for just another year? ffs they had just put a welsh team into super league and could have had in Celtics back yard a show piece, weekend long event, with all the super league teams attending! They could have saturated cardiff with 30k FREE tickets for locals to come and watch what it was all about! I say 30k because that would have been the other half of the half empty stadium filled if they had all turned up?! Obviously they all wouldnt attend but say 5k of 10k turned up and enjoyed the event! Out of those maybe an extra thousand or 1500 would turn up on a regular basis on and off throughout the rest of the season? Maybe more? That would have at least gone some way to help financing the club. Guess we'll never know eh rfl?
Having it in scotland was a waste of time for locals this year because any scots that went and enjoyed it are gonna have to wait 3 years for a local team if one wins a franchise or have a round trip of a few hundred miles to watch a live game.

quotes players contract doesn't need a no-transfer
Clause for a player to choose not to move, a player like everybody else, works for who they want to out of who
Is willing to employ them,

The only real difference in rl is that you need to be registered with the rfl to play pro rl, that registration is what is owned by the club for the period of the contract. To have a registration you need a valid playing contract, if club a wishes to sell the registration to club b, club b still needs to have a valid playing contract signed by the player, if the player doesn't sign it then he isn't a registered player, and is free to fulfill the terms of his original contract, as club a are still legally bound,

What happened in the she case was
She broke his contract, the doggies
Can they try to sue him for the losses incurred
From that breach. No 'transfer fee' was paid simply an agreement reached whereby the doggies waived
Their right to sir in return for agreed
Recompense.

Had they however demanded she played for at George instead, they wouldn't have had a leg
To stand on, as his contract doesn't mean he agrees to be employed by anyone, simply tjemselves.

Similarly your contract won't state you need to go work formyour rivals if your employer sees fit, you are employed by them, no one else

=red
NEWSFLASH: There is life outside of Superleague...

Wonder where Albert is now?

True there is, but showcase the super league to them then ask them to go watch the local amateur scene, (which i'm not saying isn't a good standard, I wouldn't know), but its not what they've just watched and enjoyed is it?
We've been going for years and travel all over, they are green to rugby league and how many would stand on the touchline of the pitch on a freezing cold February as apposed to stood in a stadium with a few thousand there watching super league? A hand full?

Unfortunately, the RFL has to operate within the law. The idea that a group of companies operating in the same industry can determine exactly which one of those companies is allowed to employ a person and where their place of work will be



I suppose it might be possible if all of the clubs were owned by the RFL and all players were centrally contracted.

The draft system in American sports works because baseball, football etc. are specifically excluded from large areas of law - anti-trust legislation etc.

UEFA has tried to get exempted from EU employment law on a number of occasions and it ain't happening.

Banned I think

Excellent, best place for him.

Not read the thread really, but I said at the beginning of the season that Celtic could be as bad as Leigh in 2005 and got shot down for it, seems at the moment I am right. Well, points wise anyway. I thought that they should have invested much more in the playing staff otherwise they wouldnt attract fans, and that seems to be whats happening. At the end of the day, why would people want to watch the worst side in the league full of non-Welsh players get hammered every week in a small town? A team full of overseas players can work in the short-medium term, but only if those players are actually good

No you're not, Leigh had more fans.





Had a thought. The crowd was approx 2000, with (supposedly) 1000 tickets given away, + (I was told) roughly 1000 Wakey fans there. If true that could mean there were literally no paying Celtic supporters!

I very much doubt there was 1000 Wakey fans there.

We took a fair few, always do away. We don't have to kid the tax man about our away support



TRINITY FOREVER
WAKEFIELD CITY PRIDE.

So do Celtic have no season ticket holders too?

250 apparently

Only informing , not a judgement

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