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| Saved himself £5k there.
The points deduction means nothing, because the season means nothing.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Saved himself £5k there.
The points deduction means nothing, because the season means nothing.'"
I think it's gone up by 5K Cronus to 15K.
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| AS Cronus correctly observes, the 2 points are irrelevant with no relegation.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"I think it's gone up by 5K Cronus to 15K.'"
Well yes indeed, that would make more sense. Reducing the fine would have been a strange move.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"I think it's gone up by 5K Cronus to 15K.'"
Quote The Reds were initially fined £10,000 after being found guilty by a Rugby Football League tribunal of breaching the rules.
However, they appealed against the decision and an RFL appeals tribunal halved the fine but increased the sanction to a points deduction.
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[urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/news/article/480/8776138/salford-docked-two-points[/url
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| I guess whatever Tony Smith says, goes. I wonder what his thoughts are on the Huddersfield player Danny Brough? Hang on...
Whinging Cas fans will think all their Christmases have come at once. Sheesh...
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| Quote ="Cronus"Well yes indeed, that would make more sense. Reducing the fine would have been a strange move.
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And as we know, the RFL are all about making sense...
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| The RFL clearly have more money than even the good Doctor. First they take on a sponsor for the games's premier league with no funds coming their way in exchange. And now they are giving refunds on penalties. Wonder if they could lend me a tenner?
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| Quote ="Derek Smalls"I guess whatever Tony Smith says, goes. I wonder what his thoughts are on the Huddersfield player Danny Brough? Hang on...
Whinging Cas fans will think all their Christmases have come at once. Sheesh...'"
To be fair Derek - theres only me, Dave and Towns who are the whingers. Not all Cas fans are as bad as us.
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| Quote ="programmethrower"This obsession Castleford fans have with Salford / Koukcash is really starting to become tedious and tiresome. I have no problems with being docked points as long as the guidelines given out are now set if this unfortunate situation rears it's ugly head once again. Castleford fans are starting to make themselves and the club look an embarrassment, always had a soft spot for them, remember a group coming to the Willows variety Centre begging people to sign the application for the new stadium, I had no problem signing plus also though the group was friendly. However reading this forum in the last couple of months you comment on Salford and Koukcash relentlessly! What's the actual problem, Salford got s new ground before you? jealous because Salford have struck lucky with a wealthy investor and promising to end the years of heartache of being at the foot of the table. Always saw similarities with ourselves and Cas, being relegated and promoted, striving for a new ground as both were playing in old stadia (however I still take the Willows over this soulless place we have now). Please just give you anti Salford / Koukcash rants a rest it really is boring, perhaps you just have a sticky on your own thread to vent your angry across and when you lot spout your garbage on here just comes across as being green eyed monsters.'"
It's what 2 cas fans that continuously post about Salford, not all of us. Some perspective please.
That said in this case justice has been done.
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| This is basically the RFL telling Koukash to sit down, shut up and stop trying to run the game to suit his own agendas.
Not sure what difference two competition points makes mind, they're not going to trouble the top 8 so the only thing it will affect is the prize money they get at the end of the season.
I'm not entirely sure btw what some Salford fans think everyone is jealous of them about. The proof of the pudding is in the spending, and there's not a lot of that going on at the minute. Lots of talk though, reminiscent of Pearman (?) at Wakefield and the Probiz bloke.
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| Good piece of business by the Dr. Like has been said who cares about 2 points in a part of the league where it dosnt matter.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"This is basically the RFL telling Koukash to sit down, shut up and stop trying to run the game to suit his own agendas.
Not sure what difference two competition points makes mind, they're not going to trouble the top 8 so the only thing it will affect is the prize money they get at the end of the season.
I'm not entirely sure btw what some Salford fans think everyone is jealous of them about. The proof of the pudding is in the spending, and there's not a lot of that going on at the minute. Lots of talk though, reminiscent of Pearman (?) at Wakefield and the Probiz bloke.'"
Well at least that would be *someone* running the game.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"This is basically the RFL telling Koukash to sit down, shut up and stop trying to run the game to suit his own agendas.
Not sure what difference two competition points makes mind, they're not going to trouble the top 8 so the only thing it will affect is the prize money they get at the end of the season.
I'm not entirely sure btw what some Salford fans think everyone is jealous of them about. The proof of the pudding is in the spending, and there's not a lot of that going on at the minute. Lots of talk though, reminiscent of =#FF0000Pearman (?) at Wakefield and the Probiz bloke.'"
Right name. I think Trinity are still the only club fined for making an illegal approach to a player (£5K for Jason Robinson before he switched to union). Funnily enough Jonah Lomu and Lawrence Dallaglio never showed up either.
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| The opinion of a wide range of observers from fans, TV pundits on Boots N All and SL Backchat, the media and even Tony Smith is that Salford City Reds got off lightly with a £10,000 fine. The general opinion was that this decision was initially the wrong one and Salford should have not been awarded any points at all. The game was null and void – no one got the points and no one got fined. It was a mistake that had to be punished and this was the right way of doing it.
It was quite obvious that when the club appealed against this decision the RFL would back-track on its initial decision and go with the general feeling within the game. Basically Salford should have accepted the initial decision and thought themselves lucky to have got off lightly.
The decision to appeal was the wrong one and I wonder what made the club think it would win.
The RFL also have to be taken to task on why they got it wrong in the first place.
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| Salary cap breach: Fine or 2 points.
Briefly field 14 players: 2 points.
Which one is more serious?
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| Jeez, you'd think [iinadvertently[/i fielding 14 players for a brief period is the worst crime ever committed in this game, and I mean [iever[/i. The only fitting punishment would be to put a ramp on the field at Barton, lie all the Salford staff below the high end, then have big Nigel on a BMX....
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| That would be a hell of a punishment!
I was bitter about it all, hands up, but I'll happily draw a line under it now, we don't deserve the points but neither did Salford. Good luck to Salford for the rest of the season & see you down the lane in a couple of months for no doubt another basket ball style game.
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| Since the regular season fixture in which the offence took place is irrelevant due to lack of P&R and the SL standing of the two clubs concerned, the penalty issued may also be deemed an irrelevance.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Since the regular season fixture in which the offence took place is irrelevant due to lack of P&R and the SL standing of the two clubs concerned, the penalty issued may also be deemed an irrelevance.'"
The fact that players of both teams seemed to be putting in the effort, and that (some) Castleford fans were aggrieved by what happened suggests to me that they don't see the regular season as irrelevant.
That said, in the position Salford are in this season (as in being a scratch team made up of other clubs' offcuts, rather than their league position) does make the points deduction irrelevant. And I think we can be thankful there is no automatic P&R, because it wouldn't look too good if Salford were relegated on the back of a brief and unfortunate error like this, particularly given the initial punishment meted out by the RFL.
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| Was the touch line official held accountable in any way for the mistake? Was his name mentioned when the RFL made statements on the matter? It's pathetic the RFL just make it up as they go along and protect their own.
Yes the two points and fine is irrelevent to Salford from a league standing aspect but it's the damage and embarrassment these power hungry people cause the game. And another question, do we know or will we ever find out who was on the panel that came to this latest conclusion?
The one thing that really infuriates me is the fact Jordan Tansey should have walked much earlier in the game for a shocking head high tackle on Williams. These Cas supporters go on about justice it's a joke. Let's be real Tansey only go away with it because Alibert took the easy option of putting it on report. And then we all know that Tansey only escaped a ban because of the 14 man issue and the first judgement of not reversing the result.
No wonder the Salford/ Manchester public won't buy into rugby league it's an absolute eef-in joke run by total amatuers with ulterior motives.
I know it's not in my best interests as a Salford supporter but If I was Koukash I'd be very tempted to tell Nigel Wood to stick his Superleague up his fat ar$e and let it die of a slow death in the shadows of RU and the NRL.
Superleague can't even find a main sponsor and that tells you everything you need to know because no company wants to be associated with the sport. Unless something drastic changes in Superleague it will be semi professional within 3 years, trust me.
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| Quote ="Wirecutter"Was the touch line official held accountable in any way for the mistake? Was his name mentioned when the RFL made statements on the matter? It's pathetic the RFL just make it up as they go along and protect their own.
Yes the two points and fine is irrelevent to Salford from a league standing aspect but it's the damage and embarrassment these power hungry people cause the game. And another question, do we know or will we ever find out who was on the panel that came to this latest conclusion?
The one thing that really infuriates me is the fact Jordan Tansey should have walked much earlier in the game for a shocking head high tackle on Williams. These Cas supporters go on about justice it's a joke. Let's be real Tansey only go away with it because Alibert took the easy option of putting it on report. And then we all know that Tansey only escaped a ban because of the 14 man issue and the first judgement of not reversing the result.
No wonder the Salford/ Manchester public won't buy into rugby league it's an absolute eef-in joke run by total amatuers with ulterior motives.
I know it's not in my best interests as a Salford supporter but If I was Koukash I'd be very tempted to tell Nigel Wood to stick his Superleague up his fat ar$e and let it die of a slow death in the shadows of RU and the NRL.
Superleague can't even find a main sponsor and that tells you everything you need to know because no company wants to be associated with the sport. Unless something drastic changes in Superleague it will be semi professional within 3 years, trust me.'"
Not bitter, then?
As for shocking head high tackles, they happen - Cockayne nearly had his head taken off by a Salford player on Monday.
Those two poins were defended by 14 men when Cas were on top, and both the replacement and the man replaced were involved in play. It's taken a while, but justice has been done. As for the deduction being irrelevant - not finishing bottom means a lot to a team in difficulties, I know that from experience!
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| Quote ="wakeyrule"Not bitter, then?
As for shocking head high tackles, they happen - Cockayne nearly had his head taken off by a Salford player on Monday.
Those two poins were defended by 14 men when Cas were on top, and both the replacement and the man replaced were involved in play. It's taken a while, but justice has been done. As for the deduction being irrelevant - not finishing bottom means a lot to a team in difficulties, I know that from experience!'"
If you want to interpret someone that's just being honest as someone being bitter it matters little to me. If it helps you to label me bitter because you don't want to accept reality and criticism of the sport, good for you.
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| Quote ="wakeyrule"Not bitter, then?
As for shocking head high tackles, they happen - Cockayne nearly had his head taken off by a Salford player on Monday.
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the only player to have action taken against him from Mondays game was a Wakefield player, so get your facts rights.
as for the Cas game, Castleford should have been down to 12 men. and what about the 4th official who got it wrong (not a word) , but every week the ref and others get it wrong , so why pick on Salford
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