Hell Awaits
Bush Fires are punishment from God

Paganism and tne occult go back further than Christianity, should we start dunking suspected witches, sacrificing virgins, reinstate the rights of First Knight?

The "man" is abhorrent.

Well according to Phil Clark, Samson was a character from Greek mythology. I wonder how a religious Christian fundamentalist would react to such a faux pas.

It's OK, Barrie Mac thinks Delilah is someone Tom Jones had a crush on.

Until the last few years Rugby League, throughout its history, has been a fine example of stoicism , going back to the original split, the Vichy and the ongoing interference and shunning by the RFU and others. This stoicism has long been admired by many outside the sport and manifested itself and was a part of the character of many involved within the sport and the sport itself.

It is of course a cornerstone of stoicism , and a fine trait amongst reasonable humans, that offence is only taken and not given. Therefore the current brouhaha over Mr Folau's silly comments, whilst in the employ of the Australian Rugby Union, is disappointing to say the least.

To be offended by Mr Folau you would first have to actually care what they guy has to say or opine about anything, not sure why anybody would, and secondly would actually have to believe, in the 21st century, that the silly stories of religion and a hell are in fact true, unless of course you take offence at ancient fairy tales.

The sport , if it felt necessary, should have just called his opinion for what it is, a silly , childish , unintelligent point of view. Turn it back on Mr Folau, educate any people that need it, that he is spouting nonsense. His personal views are clearly not the games views and any reasonable person can see that, including any reasonable sponsors, although quite why any sponsors of Hull KR (as Mr Hudgell seems to be the self appointed arbiter of thought crime) would withdraw their support because of the daft opinion of a player on another team in another country, expressed only to those who wish to hear or read it, whilst he was in another sport in yet another country , I am really not sure.

As many have stated, silly opinions are not in the same sphere as physical harm or other criminal offences. As far as i am aware there has been no singling out of an individual or personal insult or defamation (on Mr Folaus part anyway). There are many within the game of a religious nature who , because of their adherence to said idiocies, will share the same opinion of Folau but have not publicised it, including some very highly paid and high profile players. Are SL going to appoint a Witchfinder General (perhaps the aforesaid Mr Hudgell, employer of Joel Tomkins, Ben Cockayne, Todd Carney, Paul Cooke, Dane Tilse et al) to root out all those of bad opinions and ostracise them?

If we are going to ban people or ostracise them for daft opinions there will not be that many left on the field or off it, and of course the game would be bankrupt very quickly.

What a bizarre comment.

He was sacked by the ARU and not given a gig by any club in the NRL and yet you think that we "need" such players.

His PUBLICISED views are the polar opposite to the stated aims of "inclusivity" in the sport of RL.
You are right that there are plenty of players who may be equally as "daft" in their views but, they have the good sense to keep them private and well away from the media (especially social media).

It's strange how our wealthier competitors in Union and the NRL can manage without but we (most notably Catalan) cant.

You can't assume that accepting someone with a particular view is the same as accepting that view, and people can claim whatever they want but it doesn't make them right.

There's a lot of philosophical nonsense being talked here - and of course someone has to trumpet the new religion of the professional bigot, 'Freedom of speech' - which we all have, within the limits of the law. All fine and dandy - have a medieval and antiquated opinion about homosexuality; think it all you like; think really really hard about what homosexuals do with each other in the privacy of their own relationships and bedrooms if you really want to - but the second you start *talking* about it in a public forum, you are accountable for what you say, and a decent employer, aware of the concept of vicarious liability, will have a view about that, and be entitled to act on that view. Catalans Dragons have opted not to do that - and by extension, have involved both the RFL and SL, and the wider sport.

The conclusion to draw here is that Catalans Dragons care more about their ability to win a game, than they do about the values, feelings and inclusiveness of the RFL, SLE and the sponsors, supporters and fans of the game of RL. Some people are ok with that - perhaps because they've never been oppressed due to their sexuality - but most aren't - which is encouraging.

Stoicism my ar$e - that just means, "man up gays, don't take it personally."

Of course, when you cut through all the guff and bluster around this, the idiocy and nonsense of what Folau posted , halfway down , in response to a direct question , on a many commented Instagram post , that could be read by 0.002% of the population(and that he publicised himself no further and that you would have to want to search or look for to be aware of , and of course make a special effort to be offended by), and the rush of virtue signalling on the other side, then the middle ground of the law and reasonable people is left.

Mr Folau of course sued the Australian Rugby Union, for $14million (£7.5 m) over the termination of his contract as they had no leg to stand on. The ARU, of course "aware" of the law, settled with Mr Folau and he, himself, received an apology from THEM.

How many settlements do you think it would take to drain the much less rich SL or RFL of all funds??? We are not a rich sport by any stretch, reliant on TV money for the present full time status. It would be bleak. I am more than certain that Mr Hudgell et al know this and it is all bluff and bluster. Perhaps a blanket ban on social media for all players is the only way to prevent any future occurrence of any thought crime of any kind and the subsequent displays of jellyfish behaviour.

That's usually where I stop reading - because it's become one of the go-to phrases of the RW nutjob brigade, who appear to have succeeded in turning the world on its head, whereby caring about other people is something to be derided.

However:



The simple solution of course, would be to not employ him in the first place - rather than place the sport in the invidious position of having to deal with his odious bigotry after the fact, when he is already employed and in a position to raise a claim.

Or maybe they have a different opinion on the matter. I'm not sure who is being excluded or oppressed as a result of this signing.

It's so simple.

You cant welcome people who are from minority groups and then welcome people who are openly hostile towards those groups.
Where do you go if Falou repeats his views on the pitch.

Catalan would have employed him, already well aware of his views, SL have allowed Catalan to employ him (knowing his views).
They could be sued to death.

The bottom line is that Catalan Dragons have employed him in full knowledge of his religious but bigoted, outdated views.

Maybe we could get Brenard Manning or Chubby Brown to come in as match day commentator just to really get things moving

And maybe they feel falou deserves a 2nd chance and don't feel it's right to banish him from rugby league forever.

Elstone also confirmed some clubs didn't feel it was right to stop Catalan signing falou.

Its a post on his main page. You cant go on there without seeing it.

It’s seems freedom of speech is only reserved for certain people. Chris Chester has been banned from talking about it. Nice.

Have all the Super League club owners,and Elstone,got together to prevent the game between Toronto and Catalans,given the persecution and hostility between Muslim and Christian,both historically and currently around the world - after all the favourite SBW will be against the devil himself,Israel Folau.

This could have far reaching consequences...

I take it all those secular critics of Folau are aware of this religious conundrum?

Perhaps not.

It may mean the end of the world as we know it.It may mean the end faster than Brexit.

I stand back while Hudgell and the brains department sort it...

I hope all sponsors are fully vetted should the game go ahead and feature both religious players.

Simple? Only if you pre-judge as you appear to have been doing.

When was he "openly hostile" to minority groups? Unless you are aware of something I am not. He quoted a passage from scripture and then said redemption was on offer. Surely, an act of kindness based on his beliefs / understanding?

By the way, I have not seen many "drunks" claiming to be outraged by his comments. Will be Wigan having a "Sots pride" fixture if they draw Catalans in the Cup?

How do they take up this offer of kindness - do tell us? Do they need to stop being homosexuals? Or do they just need to stop doing 'homosexual things'? How kind and understanding of him.

Also, as I'm sure you know, it wasn't just one quote.

Stop drinking.

"Stop being yourself and you wont go to hell" is not an act of kindness.

And the drunks part was discussed about 10 pages back. may as well ask about straight pride while you are here

Do you mean the late Bernard Manning?

I seem to vaguely recall that he led the community singing at a Challenge Cup final in the 1970s? Can anybody confirm or otherwise?

Ah yes - the casuistry of the religious twonk, who wants to varnish the hatred towards homosexuals from their scriptures in some way; "Love the sinner, hate the sin."

It is, as with many other attempts to make a medieval storybook still relevant, disingenuous to say the least; persecute someone for their nature, but offer them redemption if they deny it? No thanks.

Well said.

You are of course referring to the second post on Instagram, with the long list of sinners and not the original post, which was subsequently deleted ??
As I have said multiple times, why on earth did Catalan feel so compelled to sign him.
His PUBLICISED views are just compatible with the stated goals of Rugby League and it really doesn't matter if his religion encourages this particular way of thinking (brainwashing).
Again, every other "hit" on his second post was a life choice, being a homosexual isn't and that is why there is such outrage, from an already persecuted group of people who, just want to get on with their lives, without being targeted.
Maybe you agree with him and think it's all ok, I dont.