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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Yes because that's what it was.....so why are you b*tching about it.'"
Erm.......For the reasons already put. Thats kind of how this works.
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| It was played at the wrong venue, Whitebank would have been more suitable, I doubt many others like myself will be paying to watch them again
So to answer the OP? , nope, and unlikely ever to
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"Wow the Giants haven't produced any French players ! you are so...deep.
Whereas the Dragons have produced.....lots (I suppose that is as precise at you can get?) The appalling performance at the LSV today said little for the quality of these 'lots'. In the first 8 minutes of the second half England scored 24 points!'" You are aware that only 6 Catalans players played against England yesterday? They have 18 French players in their first-team squad, and only six played against England. That is the bigger issue, not some fantastical explanation about Catalans not developing enough players. Also I'm really not sure that Huddersfield can boast 18 home-grown players in their first-team squad, but I'm sure you know more about that than me.
Quote ="Cripesginger"People wanting to look at the facts - not your strong suit I appreciate - know that many clubs think an U23s comp is a waste of time.'" Yeah, small-time, unambitious, penny-pinching clubs with no interest in junior development. And Leeds, who have a ready-made feeder system and so no need to run reserves.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"They did treat it as a warm up game.'"
In what way was leaving out half the players likely to play against Wales a "warm-up" for that game?
The French will have learned nothing and gained nothing from the hammering England gave them that will be of any use against Wales next week. Had they picked a stronger side, they may at least have been able to work on some combinations, set plays etc.
They chose to sacrifice that instead for resting players and giving those who were chosen a second-class set of training facilities.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"In what way was leaving out half the players likely to play against Wales a "warm-up" for that game?
The French will have learned nothing and gained nothing from the hammering England gave them that will be of any use against Wales next week. Had they picked a stronger side, they may at least have been able to work on some combinations, set plays etc.
They chose to sacrifice that instead for resting players and giving those who were chosen a second-class set of training facilities.'"
I look forward to the Leeds Rhinos picking their first team to play on boxing day, or in the Lazenby cup.
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| Ultimatly the long held argument held by the Aussies that they could put out 5 teams to beat us similarily applies to us with the French, how they can go about redressing that is probably a bigger task than us catching the Ockers
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I look forward to the Leeds Rhinos picking their first team to play on boxing day, or in the Lazenby cup.'"
That would be a club side who get to spend nearly all year together compared to a national side who get limited time and matches together to work on things and put them into practise.....another sparkling comparison.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Ultimatly the long held argument held by the Aussies that they could put out 5 teams to beat us similarily applies to us with the French, how they can go about redressing that is probably a bigger task than us catching the Ockers'" I don't know why you're trying to use a result of a France team missing pretty much all of it's full time players to make sweeping generalizations about the sport in France. Yes, they aren't as strong and have nowhere near as much depth as England, but a team including the likes of Fages, Gigot, Casty, Duport, Mounis, Pelissier, Baitieri, Bosc, Garcia, Elima, Yaha etc would more than provide a challenge. The fact is that I probably follow French RL closer than most and the squad yesterday had players that even I've never heard of. It was a virtual development team, they had an 18-year-old who was playing RU a month ago. I don't know why they selected this team and they definitely didn't do themselves any favours, but in realistic terms this result is not at all reflective of the level of France.
Also I'm not sure if you're aware that Australia are no longer the number 1 team in the world, I know you're usually a little bit behind.
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| Possibly a sweeping generalisation, but still a true one, outside the dozen players missing ( why do that I also havent a clue ) they are very poor, it wasnt just ability, no spirit,fight or even disapointment, the England lads werent even trying, it was embarrasing
Despite what you might think you know of my opinions about expansion of the sport I was hugely dissapointed with the French decision to rest a whole team ( if thats what it was ) , it will have damaged the future of the fixture and the credibility of the French
Not good
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| Quote ="Starbug"Possibly a sweeping generalisation, but still a true one, outside the dozen players missing ( why do that I also havent a clue ) they are very poor, it wasnt just ability, no spirit,fight or even disapointment, the England lads werent even trying, it was embarrasing
Despite what you might think you know of my opinions about expansion of the sport I was hugely dissapointed with the French decision to rest a whole team ( if thats what it was ) , it will have damaged the future of the fixture and the credibility of the French
Not good'" They don't have much depth outside of the 20 or so full-time players that play regularly at their clubs, but the team yesterday wasn't the strongest they could've fielded even with the players missing. They could've picked a bunch of senior players who have played for the national team in the past like the Bentley brothers and many others from the French league who could've kept the scoreline relatively respectable, but they just seemed to go with youngsters or completely obscure players. As I said, it was more of a developmental team than a legit international team and really should've been billed as France A.
I agree that the match was a joke and it was hugely disappointing turn out from the French, but the issue here is why they ended up fielding this team rather than any problems with the quality of players that they have or the development of the sport. Maybe the earlier poster is correct and they did this because the match was treated as a joke from the start. Either way, it's definitely not good and hopefully being humiliated like that will be a wake-up call for them in terms of the national set-up.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"That would be a club side who get to spend nearly all year together compared to a national side who get limited time and matches together to work on things and put them into practise.....another sparkling comparison.'"
You do realise some French players have just finished a long hard season right? Whereas some are just starting their year right?
You keep trying don't you, in spite everything you keep trying.
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| I guess the question of whether France can challenge England is similar to asking whether Hudds can challenge in the play offs: there's a case to be made that they could, but the total lack of supporting evidence inevitably leads to a lot of scepticism.
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| Quote ="headhunter"You are aware that only 6 Catalans players played against England yesterday? They have 18 French players in their first-team squad, and only six played against England. That is the bigger issue, not some fantastical explanation about Catalans not developing enough players. Also I'm really not sure that Huddersfield can boast 18 home-grown players in their first-team squad, but I'm sure you know more about that than me.
Yeah, small-time, unambitious, penny-pinching clubs with no interest in junior development. And Leeds, who have a ready-made feeder system and so no need to run reserves.'"
Catalans can't develop many players to get into their best 17. Absolutely pathetic. Throwing money at antipodeans and bringing through very little quality when they are the only SL team in the country.
Few teams if any can 'boast' 18 home grown players in their squad with so many clubs sharing the same catchment area. So comparing English home grown players with French players in the Dragons is idiotic. The Giants - with 3 other SL teams in west Yorkshire (4 other til very recently) - compare pretty well with the Dragons who have no SL competition. The 4 West Yorks clubs can find 20 or so home grown players to play each week despite competition from big Lancashire clubs & Hull. Catalans with no local SL competition struggle to get 5/6.
Your suggestion that clubs running several junior teams + scholarships right the way through to the U19s are not interested in development because they dont want an U23s is plain daft. Many prefer the current pathways + dual registration. Very few want U23s.
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