Do [iyou [/irealise that Andy was condemning an opposition coach for criticising the ref but openly wanting his own coach to do the same? Hypocrisy at it's finest.



As for the comment wishing injury on players, I suppose you'd defend that as well?

Christ. I'd dread to think what the Wigan fan reaction would've been if the shoe was on the other foot.

All I can see are fans discussing Silverwoods performances and petty squabbles started by a couple of Wigan fans.

Wigan fans are always a good watch after a close game.

to be fair this thread would have been 13 pages long had it been either Leeds or Wigan that had lost, a lot those clubs' fans like a good moan and whinge and ref bash when they lose ( as do most other clubs fans, but these have more than most

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it's done with now, Aiton lost that game for Leeds, not Silverwood, it was 3 days ago it won't change, and i'm pretty sure Leeds have gained points off the back of dubious decisions?

Leeds haven't had any of the big calls for a couple of years, you should know that more than anyone, Briscoe disallowed try in the last second ring any bells ? We got nothing from the refs last season, and we've had nothing this season, but we're Cup holders, top of the league, and in the semis to defend the Challenge cup. The bad calls against us will change, refs are being outed for their diabolicals and the law of averages dictate we will get a few. From what I've seen this season Wigan and especially Saints have had calls massively in their favour, you did more than well yourselves against Cas, and I've got to say our six fingered neighbours seem to have been on the end of every poor call going. Some refs decisions are down to pure cheating, some are down to missing what actually happened, and some teams are discriminated against because they are easier to discriminate against. We will talk more and more about refs and their decisions because they have to make more decisions than ever before due to the RFL and their indifference to actually enforcing the laws of the game.

Leeds lost, even with their dubious methods they lost. Like other teams they bend the rules and get away with it, sometimes, like other teams they get caught. It's the players "cheating " not the match officials but then I wouldn't expect most Leeds fans to know that. Let's face it when Bailey was playing for Leeds and being a "thug" the brain cell less than amoeba south stand were praising him yet when he came back with Cas and did the same thing, the south stand were baying for blood.
Based on that the credibility of any Leeds comments need to be taken with a pinch of salt.
The ONLY reason they lost was they were not good enough to score more points than the opposition. It really is that simple!

Your input on here is rendered invalid due to your jealousy of the Leeds club. You amuse me with your tantrums towards our successful outfit and for that reason I will continue to read your posts. You are one of those people that tries to annoy but actually amuses the fans of the club you target. Thanks for the laughs.

Another dreamt up accusation about Leeds on this thread. They're adding up now in opposition fans desperation to have a pop at us because we've highlighted the ref giving us some bad calls.

Jealous of what or whom?

You are yet another poster who acusses me of this yet has still to provide evidence.

I call it as I see it, but then I don't walk around with designer blinkers on

Wah wah wah the refs give us nothing and everybody is against us



I'd be surprised if you posted that with a straight face to be honest. If you did and you're serious you've got real issues. You scored from a forward pass on Thursday, as you do most games once or twice, the "flat" pass being something Leeds push to the limits of the referee's ability to call. Next time Leeds win by a score or two, remind yourself that you probably would have lost if not for one or two calls going your way.

Every team gets some calls, every team gets done by some, including Leeds. Take your head out of the sand and move on man!

i don't tend to remember or pay much attention to things like that after a day or so.

EVERY team gets decisions going for them and against them, it's sport, it's life, no referee's cheat, they make errors like players and coaches do, again, that's life nobody is perfect.
if you don't like your team losing to a bad decision by the officials, then you might as well give up .

You do have blinkers, just as much as anyone in fact. Your's however are for the referees instead of a team. Any criticism of them even when they've clearly messed up and you come rushing out to defend them as if they've done nothing wrong.

Even when they f**k up an obvious knock on call you try divert attention by saying "oh if they scored more points it wouldn't have mattered".....well if the ref called that correctly Leeds wouldn't have had to scored 6 more points. If the harsh obstruction call was given a try as well then it's a 18-30 score line to Leeds.

Now before anyone gets carried away saying I'm blaming the ref.....I'm not. I'm just pointing out that people simply saying "oh well" is wrong. You can "oh well score more points" but then again how many does a team have to score when a ref can have a shocker and rule out 6 points for your team and gift the opposition another 6 for a 12 point swing? Do we get to the point were you have to aim to beat teams by a certain margin to counter act the influence of the referee's calls?

I agree the point that I don't think referees cheat, they just get it wrong. But it's happening on such a consistent basis now with such obvious calls that it's becoming too influential on matches.

And you're a Hudds fan so let's not pretend that you and your fellow fans didn't throw an even bigger "outrage" last year when Phil Bentham didn't award Brough's drop goal in the CC game against Saints because you lot did big time and wanted Bentham's head on a stake and continually accuse him of having it in for Hudds personally.

The laws of physics say all of that is impossible. Had Leeds try been given then everything that came after it ceases to be, including Matty Smiths knock on. For all you know Leeds might have dropped the kick off leading to Wigan scoring 5 back to back tries. There were a couple of decisions you didn't like. Did it affect the game? Possibly, but we'll never know. Get over it.

I do agree with you about Leaguefan though. I tend to stick up for the refs as well, but in his eyes they are completely beyond criticism.

AS a Leeds fan, you don't know what it's like to go to Headingley and get nothing from the ref.
Christ, with the influence of the south stand and Sinfield helping the ref as much as he can, it's almost impossible to get close to 50/50.

The ref made a call that went against you, get over it.

As a Cas fan I stood in the South Stand with my Leeds mates during the recent game. Regarding Bailey, you are talking complete bollox.

yes, of course it's going to lead to outrage, when a decision like that clearly cost us the game, or at least the chance of going into extra time and having the chance to win, unlike Leeds last thursday where it was one of your players that decided the outcome of the game by committing a foul right under the referee's nose and in front of the posts.
that's the point that most people are making, yes fans have a right to be peeved when things don't go well for their team, and when a referee's decision influence the outcome of a game, but it didn't on thursday, Leeds threw at least a point away in the last minute of a game, was the referee supposed to ignore that and let them get away with it?

What you keep ignoring is that if he'd called it all correctly the knock on wouldn't have even happened as we'd have had a penalty. Talk about wilfully ignoring reality to maintain your persecution complex. Sad.

And don't forget, if he'd have called them all correctly you would have had a try chalked off for a forward pass!

Apparently. They are Leeds, after all.

I'm not ignoring the leg "pull" (hold), I've already given my view on it. It's not my fault you happen to think it's the worst and most deliberate foul ever committed on a RL field.

It's a matter of opinion call, just like the obstruction one. Which I'd have no problem with if it wasn't a TV game as the ref has to make a call. The thing i don't like is that we have the ability to use the VR yet we are tying one arm around his back nowadays in making calls. We saw last year that obstruction calls going to the VR often took 7/8 replays and slow motion speed to decide. With this new 'sending it up as a try/no try' means a ref who has seen it (perhaps only slightly) once at full speed, his opinion based on one quick view will be the one the VR will usually side with even if the video seen from several angles at slower speed show it differently. I think theirs been a few times the VR hasn't necessarily agreed with the on-field call (the two Hudds tries at Cas) as you can usually tell IMO how long they look at something the more they aren't convinced the refs original call was correct but the video has to show ONE HUNDRED percent proof, whereas the on-field ref could send something up as a no-try perhaps only being 50/60% confident. Hell for all we know Silverwood has watched the no-try back and on second look has thought it was harsh and that Tomkins milked it.....that's why if we have the ability to go the VR then why don't we use him properly. He'll always be able to judge on stuff, particularly obstructions, better with several replays and angles than the on field ref.

Didn't you say something earlier about intelligent debate?



The leg hold wasn't a matter of opinion, it was a foul. It's black and white, though you are so totally one-eyed and desperate to explain away a Leeds loss that you would argue black is white.

It was a foul.......in YOUR opinion.

Hence, a matter of opinion.



It's not black and white though is it.

A foot clearly being out of touch, someone dropping the ball, these things are black and white. Whether someone held on to a player's leg too long IS ACTUALLY a matter of opinion.

It's now Sunday the result hasn't changed since Thursday our win must have really wound you up,you are not Kevin Sinfield in disguise by any chance are you.

Another Wigan fan incapable of intelligent debate.

You might have a point if I was ranting and raving about the result and about Silverwood.....however I'm not, I'm merely debating the decisions in the match.

In fact it's the Wigan fan, TheElectricGlidingWarrior who is actually complaining more about a decision (the leg "pull"icon_wink.gif than I am about anything.

P.S. For all the "get over it" comments.....I was "over it" by the time the game ended. I just didn't realise I couldn't discuss things on a message board (the whole point we come on isn't it???) or that I had to stop discussing them by a certain time determined by Wigan fans.