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| Quote ="JonB95"Which is the right attendance for Catalans vs Cas?
The 9,169 on Catalans website,
or 6,584 given on the BBC?
And why the disparity?'"
The lower attendance is quoted on sky sports website as well so would probably go with that.
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| Quote ="yorksguy1865"The lower attendance is quoted on sky sports website as well so would probably go with that.'"
The thing is, BBC and Sporting Life and Sky Sports etc. all use the same source for attendances - so if one gets it wrong, they all do.
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| Ground in perps looked comfortably 3/4 full. 9k would seem about right.
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| Round One Average 2015 (2014) = 10570 (10424)
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| Quote ="maurice"Leigh v Bradford will be close to or beat that Huddersfield crowd'"
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"Managed to get to the KC this year but there weren't many of us, I had to book time off work and leave at 4 just to get there at 7:45!
More would go if it wasn't on Friday nights all the time but I understand that's the FC fans' preferred day.'"
Don't know where you pulled that from but no FC fans have ever stated this AFAIK, there was a massive ruckus about switching to Friday night games a few years back. Most fans would be far happier with Sunday afternoon games with the odd Friday night but never Thursdays..
With a large fanbase of kids plus people still having to work the next day this is harmful in every single way possible, if the Warry game had being Sunday it would have being 14K and allowed your lot to come over in greater numbers too.
Thursday matches are an absolute load of carp..
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"icon_confused.gif Don't know where you pulled that from but no FC fans have ever stated this AFAIK, there was a massive ruckus about switching to Friday night games a few years back. Most fans would be far happier with Sunday afternoon games with the odd Friday night but never Thursdays..
With a large fanbase of kids plus people still having to work the next day this is harmful in every single way possible, if the Warry game had being Sunday it would have being 14K and allowed your lot to come over in greater numbers too.
Thursday matches are an absolute load of carp..'"
When did you do this survey?
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| I've never understood why people prefer Sunday home games. In my experience travelling on a Sunday is actually more difficult a lot of the time, and the atmosphere at grounds is nowhere near as good as on Fridays.
I would agree that Thursday games are a terrible idea.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"I've never understood why people prefer Sunday home games. In my experience travelling on a Sunday is actually more difficult a lot of the time, and the atmosphere at grounds is nowhere near as good as on Fridays.
I would agree that Thursday games are a terrible idea.'"
i agree friday night games do have a much better atmosphere.
huddersfield did a survey about changing to fridays last season but the majority wanted to stick with sundays.. alot of children and families or older generation prefer the sunday..which is hudds demographic fan base.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"icon_confused.gif Don't know where you pulled that from but no FC fans have ever stated this AFAIK, there was a massive ruckus about switching to Friday night games a few years back. Most fans would be far happier with Sunday afternoon games with the odd Friday night but never Thursdays..
With a large fanbase of kids plus people still having to work the next day this is harmful in every single way possible, if the Warry game had being Sunday it would have being 14K and allowed your lot to come over in greater numbers too.
Thursday matches are an absolute load of carp..'"
Got it from FC fans. They stated that there was a switch to Sunday games a few years back and less people showed up. Friday was voted, by Hull FC fans, as the preferred day.. According to Hull fans.
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| Quote ="Vespid_Wire"Got it from FC fans. They stated that there was a switch to Sunday games a few years back and less people showed up. Friday was voted, by Hull FC fans, as the preferred day.. According to Hull fans.'"
You are correct. He just likes to argue.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"You are correct. He just likes to argue.'"
No, I can read, a lot of fans hate Thursday nights & prefer Sundays. the grumblings I mentioned about Thursday night games happen to be accurate or do you think 4 or 5 supporters on here that might think Thursdays are a great idea constitutes what the majority of fans want
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"No, I can read, a lot of fans hate Thursday nights & prefer Sundays. the grumblings I mentioned about Thursday night games happen to be accurate or do you think 4 or 5 supporters on here that might think Thursdays are a great idea constitutes what the majority of fans want
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I'm sure most people do prefer Sundays to Thursdays. Unfortunately no one even mentioned Thursdays, so maybe your reading isn't that great afterall.
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| staying on the FC theme, Adam Pearson has mentioned the lack of families in attendance on a Friday night, but it's all outweighed as the loyal corporates prefer Friday night. He also mentioned the lack of away support. Add in the grief we get from the mad phoney doctor and his lack of refreshment sales and I actually wonder how long the club can sustain Friday night rugby.
Families contain the future of the club, without them a club will struggle.
As for fans opinions. I think we had two surveys which nobody but a select few dozen were privy to and bingo Friday nights were born. We were also told it would help the players recoup as they'd get a full week. Sadly many of us with half a brain cell saw right through that one as well.
As Garry Schofield said last night Sunday afternoon is when matches should be played. Leave Friday and either Thursday / Saturday for TV games this boosting the audience watching live.
For me the ones who seem most vocal about Friday's are the ones who incorporate their Friday bender around the match.
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| Quote ="@airlie_bird"staying on the FC theme, Adam Pearson has mentioned the lack of families in attendance on a Friday night, but it's all outweighed as the loyal corporates prefer Friday night. He also mentioned the lack of away support. Add in the grief we get from the mad phoney doctor and his lack of refreshment sales and I actually wonder how long the club can sustain Friday night rugby.
Families contain the future of the club, without them a club will struggle.
As for fans opinions. I think we had two surveys which nobody but a select few dozen were privy to and bingo Friday nights were born. We were also told it would help the players recoup as they'd get a full week. Sadly many of us with half a brain cell saw right through that one as well.
As Garry Schofield said last night Sunday afternoon is when matches should be played. Leave Friday and either Thursday / Saturday for TV games this boosting the audience watching live.
For me the ones who seem most vocal about Friday's are the ones who incorporate their Friday bender around the match.'"
Are Friday's really that bad for families? I can understand Thursday's being more of an issue but surely the kids can stay up once every other Friday? In fact during the summer a lot of families will be having days out at the beach etc on Sunday. That isn't an issue on Friday nights.
Personally I aren't that bothered. It makes no difference to my ability to attend. Hell they could play at 10am on a Tuesday for me as far as that's concerned. Going to games on a Friday means you can't watch the TV games which I like to do (not live anyway), but on Sunday's it interferes with my being in the golf course or whatever else I want to do on a weekend. So there's pros and cons for both.
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| Is this a private Hull battle now?
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Are Friday's really that bad for families? I can understand Thursday's being more of an issue but surely the kids can stay up once every other Friday? In fact during the summer a lot of families will be having days out at the beach etc on Sunday. That isn't an issue on Friday nights.
Personally I aren't that bothered. It makes no difference to my ability to attend. Hell they could play at 10am on a Tuesday for me as far as that's concerned. Going to games on a Friday means you can't watch the TV games which I like to do (not live anyway), but on Sunday's it interferes with my being in the golf course or whatever else I want to do on a weekend. So there's pros and cons for both.'"
I take it you have never had to look after a child who didn't get to bed before midnight the night before. Forget the no school tomorrow argument kids are a Feckin mare if they haven't had enough sleep. As for seaside on a sundays Id love to know where all this disposable income is being earned.
But it's an argument that will never go away and will polarise all fans. A polarisation which was not there before super doper league.
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| Leeds get plenty of families and children on a Friday night. It doesn't seem any different when we have the odd Sunday game.
Thursday's do have an effect with school the next morning for kids. But I think parents are happy for the kids to have a late night twice a month on a Friday night.
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| Quote ="@airlie_bird"I take it you have never had to look after a child who didn't get to bed before midnight the night before. Forget the no school tomorrow argument kids are a Feckin mare if they haven't had enough sleep. As for seaside on a sundays Id love to know where all this disposable income is being earned. .'"
No I haven't. But a) Where the hell are you taking them if they aren't in bed before midnight? If it's a home game you are home not long after 10, and b) it's only twice a month.
As for the second point. A day building sand castles is far more expensive than 4 tickets at the KC is it?
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"No I haven't. But a) Where the hell are you taking them if they aren't in bed before midnight? If it's a home game you are home not long after 10, and b) it's only twice a month.
As for the second point. A day building sand castles is far more expensive than 4 tickets at the KC is it?'"
Not everyone (in fact I'd guess very few as a percentage) live 5 mins from their home ground. If you drive certainly at the KC it can take 3/4 hour just to get off the car park. I won't even mention places like Salford. Hence why it is invariably 11, 1130 midnight before they hit the sack.
As for sand castles yep that's cheap, but travel food etc Yep it's clear you've not got kids. Most families that watch RL (remember working mans game) will struggle for one special day out a month probably every two or three months. So to say they can afford tickets to a match and then a complete weekend of free family time at the seaside etc is really not feasible. If everything at the seaside was free then maybe it would work. So that's my thinking about these jobs which allow massive disposable income.
I'd hazard a guess that some families will probably opt for kids in bed by 9 on Friday up fresh on a Saturday and what little money they have will then be used on ice cream, drinks, food for the kids on Saturday or Sunday.
But as I've said its a polarising subject and ain't worth arguing about. Those without kids probably can not comprehend how expensive it is to entertain kids and the choices that have to be made however much we love our RL teams.
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| Back onto attendances I think we do ourselves an injustice far too often.
Sporting life have a results page for most sports. If you take a gander down that page you will see the Premiership in Union had an opening 2 weekends with the following attendances.
Att: 13,474
Att: 5353
Att: 66164 (double header at twickers)
Att: 66164 (double header at twickers)
Att: 22639
Att: 2,776
Att: 13,102
Att: 12,755
Att: 9,721
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As you can see they are hardly flying ahead of SL as a competition. The massive difference is their european competition and reach goes beyond our own. And their international game is far more high profile and well organised.
Taking Football, RL and RU league attendances. In terms of people attending I'd rank them as
Premier League Football
Championship Football
RL and RU
League 1 Football
We focus too much on the attendances, we need to focus elsewhere to grow the game. That maybe a 9's competition to bring in new viewers like 20/20 has for cricket. But the international games and growth into France and Wales should be our real focus.
If we could get Wales and France off the ground we could have a tri-nations in the northern hemisphere on a yearly basis that would draw in the causal viewer like our league cannot.
My point is that the club competition looks fairly healthy and micro inspection of the figures does not really help. Does Union start beating itself up over figures like 2k and 5k turning up for an opening game???
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| Ain't answer to your question no Union does not beat itself up over 2k attendances. Simple reason being is that it attracts mega blue chip sponsorship. I had the pleasure / misfortune (depending on which side of the fence you sit) to go around Twickenham on Saturday and went into about 40 private boxes. It's a whole different ball game to the one i know in league. Major major corporate sponsors ploughing millions I would guess into a sport I suspect they know little about, but they do business around it.
RLs image is not one for a corporate market like that and as such we will always be second fiddle.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"
In terms of people attending I'd rank them as
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Other sports governing bodies are rightly concerned about falling attendances, but I can't think of any whose fans are as preoccupied with them as League. Still, here are the ACTUAL last full seasons domestic average attendances for the competitions you refer to.
Premiership - 36,657
Championship - 16,555
Aviva - 12,754
Superleague - 8,365
League 1 - 7,488
You will see that if you wanted to lump the closest 2 competitions together, Superleague and League 1 are only 11% apart, whilst Superleague and the Aviva are 48% apart........
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| Quote ="enigmatic"Other sports governing bodies are rightly concerned about falling attendances, but I can't think of any whose fans are as preoccupied with them as League. Still, here are the ACTUAL last full seasons domestic average attendances for the competitions you refer to.
Premiership - 36,657
Championship - 16,555
Aviva - 12,754
Superleague - 8,365
League 1 - 7,488
You will see that if you wanted to lump the closest 2 competitions together, Superleague and League 1 are only 11% apart, whilst Superleague and the Aviva are 48% apart........'"
They WERE that apart last year. Not having 13 London home fixtures that don't get much more than a 1,000 and a Bradford club in freefall will see that number rise up. And take Wigan for example, instead of getting their average pushed down by the visit of London, they'll possibly be getting 2nd home matches vs Saints and Wire in the Top 8 round of fixtures to really bump up the numbers.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"They WERE that apart last year. Not having 13 London home fixtures that don't get much more than a 1,000 and a Bradford club in freefall will see that number rise up. And take Wigan for example, instead of getting their average pushed down by the visit of London, they'll possibly be getting 2nd home matches vs Saints and Wire in the Top 8 round of fixtures to really bump up the numbers.'"
Don't feed him, he won't listen.
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