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| Quote ="bren2k"No, I won't agree to disagree, because you're wrong.
Also, you keep referring to criminal liability - to help you out, I'll remind you again that this is not a criminal case and as such, the burden of proof is significantly lower.
You really ought to bow out of this aspect of the discussion; your wishful thinking is making you look daft.'"
If you're so sure you're right, how come the club haven't been punished?
You're either very arrogant or very stubborn if you can't prove your point but insist that it's right.
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| Quote ="Rommel"More controversey from the Hull mob when will it ever change
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Its all Radford`s fault.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"If you're so sure you're right, how come the club haven't been punished?
You're either very arrogant or very stubborn if you can't prove your point but insist that it's right.'"
Presumably its not within UKAD's remit to punish clubs? Wouldnt the natural sequence be for them to deal with the individuals, with any action against the club taken subsequently by the RFL?
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| Quote ="Cibaman"Presumably its not within UKAD's remit to punish clubs? Wouldnt the natural sequence be for them to deal with the individuals, with any action against the club taken subsequently by the RFL?'"
Precisely.
What I'm arguing against here is the misguided certainty of some Hull fans, who seem to think that the RFL can't punish the club for the actions of it's employees, simply because there's been a regime change, some resignations or because the individuals were acting independently; all of those assumptions are wrong.
What I'm not arguing however, is that the RFL definitely will punish the club; I believe they should, but I'm not certain they will.
On another matter - am I right in thinking that all three players who've been busted for drug offences in the past couple of seasons are Wigan products?
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"lol we've been hearing this since Wilby and Lloyd took over the club, I suppose it has to come true eventually!
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It's been even longer that we've listened to your lot promising to operate within budget
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| Quote ="Him"
This argument that because the club has new owners is totally and utterly irrelevant. The new owners bought the club, either they didn't do due dilligence or they got the club cheaper than if there was no impending drugs investigation. '"
I think you might find that any ongoing UKDA investigations are confidential and as such cannot be declared to a 3rd party, even if that 3rd party is in the process of buying the club that the individuals are employed by.
I too would have thought something like this would be revealed through due dilligence until the confidentiality aspect was brought to my attention.
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| Its there forheads that does it for me mate
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| Quote ="bren2k"What I'm arguing against here is the misguided certainty of some Hull fans, who seem to think that the RFL can't punish the club for the actions of it's employees, simply because there's been a regime change, some resignations or because the individuals were acting independently; all of those assumptions are wrong.'"
Possibly you could quote the posts by Hull fans where it's been said with [icertainty[/i that the RFL [ican't[/i punish the club? I've certainly made no such assertion, although you apparently think that I have.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Possibly you could quote the posts by Hull fans where it's been said with [icertainty[/i that the RFL [ican't[/i punish the club? I've certainly made no such assertion, although you apparently think that I have.'"
Whatever the problem, surely there's more to life than to be arguing and posting about it at the time you was on NYE
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| well according to league weekly hull won't be further punished by the rfl, but not for the reasons discussed on here in the main. seems that the rfl do not impose further punishments in this area and leave it up to uk anti doping to impose the sanctions. as i mentioned earlier and as in the majority of drugs in sport cases it is the individuals involved who are punished
however this is league weekly we are talking about so may not be 100% accurate
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| Quote ="the artist"well according to league weekly hull won't be further punished by the rfl, but not for the reasons discussed on here in the main. seems that the rfl do not impose further punishments in this area and leave it up to uk anti doping to impose the sanctions. as i mentioned earlier and as in the majority of drugs in sport cases it is the individuals involved who are punished
however this is league weekly we are talking about so may not be 100% accurate
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Wonder if they will be punished for Joe Westerman.. Same goes for Liam Watts and Richard Owen, and their clubs.
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| Wonder what they would have done if Rule had still been in charge? Classic RFL brush under the carpet response.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Wonder what they would have done if Rule had still been in charge? Classic RFL brush under the carpet response.'"
My thoughts exactly - the RFL has let UKAD do the dirty work and despite stating in the public domain last week that Hull FC had brought the game into disrepute, appear to have chosen to do nothing about it; surely that sends out completely the wrong message to everyone within and without the game?
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| Quote ="bren2k"Quote ="JB Down Under"Wonder what they would have done if Rule had still been in charge? Classic RFL brush under the carpet response.'"
My thoughts exactly - the RFL has let UKAD do the dirty work and [udespite stating in the public domain last week that Hull FC had brought the game into disrepute[/u, appear to have chosen to do nothing about it; surely that sends out completely the wrong message to everyone within and without the game?'"
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[iChief executive Nigel Wood said: "Such behaviour is unacceptable and this case has brought the sport of rugby league into disrepute.[/i
Now where does he say that Hull FC have brought the game into disrepute?
If you're gonna have a go a trolling, try learning from a master, there are a number of them on here
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Wonder what they would have done if Rule had still been in charge? Classic RFL brush under the carpet response.'"
Well he isn't in charge any more, he "resigned" on the day he knew he would definitely be charged.
So you can put the crusty sock back in the drawer
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Quote ="bren2k"Quote ="JB Down Under"Wonder what they would have done if Rule had still been in charge? Classic RFL brush under the carpet response.'"
My thoughts exactly - the RFL has let UKAD do the dirty work and [udespite stating in the public domain last week that Hull FC had brought the game into disrepute[/u, appear to have chosen to do nothing about it; surely that sends out completely the wrong message to everyone within and without the game?'"
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[iChief executive Nigel Wood said: "Such behaviour is unacceptable and this case has brought the sport of rugby league into disrepute.[/i
Now where does he say that Hull FC have brought the game into disrepute?
If you're gonna have a go a trolling, try learning from a master, there are a number of them on here'"
You're arguing semantics; if this case has brought the sport into disrepute, it follows that Hull FC are responsible for that, since they are vicariously liable for the actions of their employees.
It's a pointless debate however, since the RFL appear to have opted to take the path of least resistance.
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| Quote ="bren2k"
You're arguing semantics; if this case has brought the sport into disrepute, it follows that Hull FC are responsible for that, since they are vicariously liable for the actions of their employees.
It's a pointless debate however, since the RFL appear to have opted to take the path of least resistance.'"
I'm not arguing semantics fool, I'm stating that your assertion was wrong, which it very definitely was. It could also be construed as borderline libelous.
Three ex-employees of Hull FC have been found liable, not the club, nor any other employees.
Now much as it may pain you, accept the fact that any and all sanctions have been delivered and get on with your twisted, little life.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"I'm not arguing semantics fool'"
Semantics and ad-hominem, in the space of two posts; you're my hero.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Wonder what they would have done if Rule had still been in charge? Classic RFL brush under the carpet response.'"
RFLP in no balls shocker!
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Quote ="cod'ead"I'm not arguing semantics fool '"
And I aint getting on no plane!
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Three ex-employees of Hull FC have been found liable, not the club, nor any other employees. '"
Give it up, coddy. He knows all there is to know about vicarious liability and that's all there is to it.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Quote ="cod'ead"Quote ="bren2k"Quote ="JB Down Under"Wonder what they would have done if Rule had still been in charge? Classic RFL brush under the carpet response.'"
My thoughts exactly - the RFL has let UKAD do the dirty work and [udespite stating in the public domain last week that Hull FC had brought the game into disrepute[/u, appear to have chosen to do nothing about it; surely that sends out completely the wrong message to everyone within and without the game?'"
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[iChief executive Nigel Wood said: "Such behaviour is unacceptable and this case has brought the sport of rugby league into disrepute.[/i
Now where does he say that Hull FC have brought the game into disrepute?
If you're gonna have a go a trolling, try learning from a master, there are a number of them on here'"
You're arguing semantics; if this case has brought the sport into disrepute, it follows that Hull FC are responsible for that, since they are vicariously liable for the actions of their employees.
It's a pointless debate however, since the RFL appear to have opted to take the path of least resistance.'"
You seem obsessed with this. Are you still angry that we binned agar and he ended up in wakefield?
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| 1. HullFC brought the game into disrepute as it was HULLFC's stupid centre, who took banned substances gained from HULLFC's stupid Captain, passed by HULLFC's stupid conditioner and it was covered up by HULLFC's CEO.
At no other time in the last week has any other club BUT HULLFC had any involvement in this and as such it was their name and kit all over every channel and all the national press!!!
2. Of Course FC should be punished, he was clearly using this during his time on the field for FC and as such since certain club figure heads new it then the whole club was cheating!!!!
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| Quote ="chukabutt"1. HullFC brought the game into disrepute as it was HULLFC's stupid centre, who took banned substances gained from HULLFC's stupid Captain, passed by HULLFC's stupid conditioner and it was covered up by HULLFC's CEO.
At no other time in the last week has any other club BUT HULLFC had any involvement in this and as such it was their name and kit all over every channel and all the national press!!!
2. Of Course FC should be punished, he was clearly using this during his time on the field for FC and as such since certain club figure heads new it then the whole club was cheating!!!!'"
Awww bless
Back to school soon eh?
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