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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Are they the same RFL employees who told you Leigh were banned from running an academy?
Where they the same players who told you the UKBA never reported to the RFL and the RFL never acted on the UKBA's report?
Any of these players or employees made any kind of public comment on these or are they just secrets only you get told in confidence to spread on RL forums when it is convenient for your argument?'"
No they are not, it was Bill Appleton and Lee Crooks who tried to explain the academy minimum wages excuse back in 2004/5
No they havent made any public comment, probably because that would be incredibly stupid, but you wouldnt understand that, you being either incredibly stupid or incredibly nieve, or both |
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| Quote ="Him"What's the difference between the RFL financially assisting Crusaders and the RFL financially assisting London, as you have advocated? Is it because one affected Championship clubs and the other only affects SL clubs?
Why the hypocritical stance?
Do you think Licensing was to blame for Crusaders problems?'"
If the RFL decided to openly admit they were assisting any club, with good reason , then fine, but to attempt to cover up their actions suggests the reasons are not good enough, can you understand that?
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| Quote ="Starbug"No they are not, it was Bill Appleton and Lee Crooks who tried to explain the academy minimum wages excuse back in 2004/5
'" yeah, that excuse of the law. So thats the UKBA and employment legislation the RFL are influences. Is there anywhere their tentacles dont extend?
Quote No they havent made any public comment, probably because that would be incredibly stupid, but you wouldnt understand that, you being either incredibly stupid or incredibly nieve, or both'" No, i can perfectly understand how making unsubstantiated and unproven accusations of malpractice and corruption for which you have no evidence would be incredibly stupid, and only believed by the incredibly stupid. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"yeah, that excuse of the law. So thats the UKBA and employment legislation the RFL are influences. Is there anywhere their tentacles dont extend?
No, i can perfectly understand how making unsubstantiated and unproven accusations of malpractice and corruption for which you have no evidence would be incredibly stupid, and only believed by the incredibly stupid.'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"Do laws apply to everybody? , if so, why was it only part of a playing squad?'"
No, laws dont apply to everyone. Thats why a police sniper is allowed a gun, and im not. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No, laws dont apply to everyone. Thats why a police sniper is allowed a gun, and im not.'"
Pathetic
I'll simplify it for your simple mind, do employment laws apply to everybody? |
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| Quote ="Starbug"Pathetic
I'll simplify it for your simple mind, do employment laws apply to everybody?'"
Not equally no. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Not equally no.'"
I'll simplify it more for your even simpler mind
Do employment laws apply to people of the same age and experience doing the same job at the same employers ? |
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| Quote ="Starbug"I'll simplify it more for your even simpler mind
Do employment laws apply to people of the same age and experience doing the same job at the same employers ?'"
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| Quote ="Wheels"Its 2009-11 all over again.'"
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Superleague should be Saints, Wigan, Leeds, Warrington, Hull FC and Catalans (token expansion team). Every other club are just irrelevant and are just a drain on resources
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| Quote ="Saint77777"Superleague should be Saints, Wigan, Leeds, Warrington, Hull FC and Catalans (token expansion team). Every other club are just irrelevant and are just a drain on resources'"
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| Quote ="Saint77777"Superleague should be Saints, Wigan, Leeds, Warrington, Hull FC and Catalans (token expansion team). Every other club are just irrelevant and are just a drain on resources'"
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The worrying thin is that you robably mean it
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Union have tried to bar London Welsh from the Premiership even though they finished top of the Championship and have a satisfactory ground. London Welsh appealed. A panel of 3 QC's ruled that they should be allowed in. What does this have to do with Rugby League?
This is what they said as regards qualification for promotion:
[i "The first is that issues of promotion and relegation should, as far as possible, be determined by performance on the pitch," [/i
I happen to think they are correct. The gap in standards between some SL clubs and the Championship clubs has developed because of franchising. Only its abandonment and a return to P&R will eventually even out this gap.
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Union have tried to bar London Welsh from the Premiership even though they finished top of the Championship and have a satisfactory ground. London Welsh appealed. A panel of 3 QC's ruled that they should be allowed in. What does this have to do with Rugby League?
This is what they said as regards qualification for promotion:
[i "The first is that issues of promotion and relegation should, as far as possible, be determined by performance on the pitch," [/i
I happen to think they are correct. The gap in standards between some SL clubs and the Championship clubs has developed because of franchising. Only its abandonment and a return to P&R will eventually even out this gap.
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I have no problem with Fax or Leigh being in SL. Theyre the only 2 uk clubs outside SL that can justify promotion in their current state.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"I have no problem with Fax or Leigh being in SL. Theyre the only 2 uk clubs outside SL that can justify promotion in their current state.'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"Why?'"
Who else is suitable? There are no other clubs with the stadium and interested local population. |
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Who else is suitable? There are no other clubs with the stadium and interested local population.'"
Neither have enough interested population, or financial backing, at Leigh the stadium is irrelivant unless they could pull in at least 8,000 averages, they are struggling to exist in the Championship at the moment
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| Quote ="Starbug"Neither have enough interested population, or financial backing, at Leigh the stadium is irrelivant unless they could pull in at least 8,000 averages, they are struggling to exist in the Championship at the moment
A 3 year licence could finish either club'"
Best of a bad bunch then. Neither club could draw 8k. Leigh would draw some serious away support though based where they are. |
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Best of a bad bunch then. Neither club could draw 8k. Leigh would draw some serious away support though based where they are.'"
Not when ' shipping ' 40/50 point thrashings every other week , attendances would be around 4,000 then drop away after that |
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Who else is suitable? There are no other clubs with the stadium and interested local population.'"
Approx 75% of current SL clubs aren't 'suitable' either. It doesn't take a genius to realise the game in this country isn't big, popular or rich enough to support a fully professional top league at current salary rates. Unfortunately nothing will be done before many of those 75% follow the path currently being taken by Bradford. |
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I know this may be hard to believe for those who think SL is fantastic but as a fax fans there is nothing i would want less than being in SL in its current form; i find it dull to watch bar some of the 'big' games and derbies and it is a largely flawed concept.
I would much rather go be competitivie at Batley, Leigh, Featherstone, Keighley etc than be thrashed at Wigan, Leeds, Saints etc.
SL used to be a real ambition for me as a fax fan but now it would be my worst nightmare
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