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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Somewhere approaching 13,000'"
Thanks, that would rule that out.
Shame because somewhere near there would be a good location especially if a Toulouse championship match was added to the programme
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| Magic weekend has to be taken to Barcelona. There is no point playing a one off game there and not following it up. A super league record crowd was the result of having it at the Nou camp and we need to build on this momentum so we can uncover the next generation of spanish rugby league legends like Adria Alonso and Carlos Jane
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| Quote ="infamous grouse"Thanks, that would rule that out.
Shame because somewhere near there would be a good location especially if a Toulouse championship match was added to the programme'"
The Nou Camp isn't too far from Perpignan, hence Catalan playing the Wigan game there and the iconic status of that Stadium, plus it's proximity to the centre of Barcelona, would give the event far more than we had at Anfield. However, as the op intimated, it would be out of reach, financially, for many traditional fans. Not that the fans are considered too often.
More and more, the existing fans seem to be treated as cash cows and dispensable in equal measure.
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| Quote ="infamous grouse"Thanks, that would rule that out.
Shame because somewhere near there would be a good location especially if a Toulouse championship match was added to the programme'"
Toulouse is a great city & easy to get to. The football & RU grounds hold >30,000 & 20,000.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Perhaps the last 16 matches of the challenge cup are played over 2 days at one venue as the magic weekend?'"
I have been a fan of this idea since the first Magic weekend. The main reason is I don’t like the uneven number league of fixtures. The big problem I see is that magic WE is a sky driven idea & they don’t have full coverage of the cup? Look how much effort they put into it now, practically zero. If we had a super league of 14 teams we could get rid of uneven fixture lists & the two game Easter programme.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"In other codes of football, fans seem tomhabe less problem travelling abroad and more often too...... But yet again, the idea of travelling outside of a couple of bus rides causes angst in RL'"
Perhaps because the vast majority of RL fans don’t have that kind of cash and could well do without your snide comments.
Has it ever crossed your mind and that of a few other is that the local nature of RL is part of its appeal.
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| Quote ="Fishermanscap"Perhaps because the vast majority of RL fans don’t have that kind of cash and could well do without your snide comments.
Has it ever crossed your mind and that of a few other is that the local nature of RL is part of its appeal.
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Given that about 4000 Wigan fans made the trip and about 8000 Catalans fans, means there must have been close to 20000 barceloni and barceloninas in attendance. That is 20000 people who have never watched the game but due to the marketing in Spain attended the game. Even if people from here can’t afford to go and I will probably be one of them as I have a family holiday to Florida and a road trip across the states later in the year planned, shouldn’t we just take a year out from having it in the UK to build some momentum in the sports mad country of Spain?
All Spanish secondary schools have to have a fifa qualified coach or a coach undertaking the fifa coaching badge. In a few years their schools may have to have an RFL accredited coach too if the game takes off and in generations to come, we will see the benefit of that.
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| Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Given that about 4000 Wigan fans made the trip and about 8000 Catalans fans, means there must have been close to 20000 barceloni and barceloninas in attendance. That is 20000 people who have never watched the game but due to the marketing in Spain attended the game. Even if people from here can’t afford to go and I will probably be one of them as I have a family holiday to Florida and a road trip across the states later in the year planned, shouldn’t we just take a year out from having it in the UK to build some momentum in the sports mad country of Spain?
All Spanish secondary schools have to have a fifa qualified coach or a coach undertaking the fifa coaching badge. In a few years their schools may have to have an RFL accredited coach too if the game takes off and in generations to come, we will see the benefit of that.'"
That’s fine for those who can afford it but for those who can’t youve instantly made it exclusive. You’re absolutely barmy if you think there is an appetite for RL in Spain. If there isn’t one in London, Cardiff or Newcastle why Barcelona. One off games mean nothing.
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| There is something more than the cost of travelling to this equation & it's being overlooked. I am not against Catalan & other overseas clubs. Catalan do not bring supporters in numbers here in UK to league matches, so revenues are well down to other SL. Clubs, this is a matter of fact. Therefore they bring little to the game in the uk.
Even when they went to Wembley the RL said they lost money massively due to Wembley not being a sell out !
When SL. Clubs went to Aus. Most Hull supporters took out loans to get there which would take years to pay off, thus they probably couldn't go again for a while !
Toronto also do not bring supporters here, so when they hit SL. Same equation. Therefore eventually when two more North American & Toulouse hit SL. Same equation's. Added to all this, where are all the p!ayers, 30 on avrg per new club, to come from ?
There is truly a lot more to be thought out yet !
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| Quote ="TrinTrin"There is something more than the cost of travelling to this equation & it's being overlooked. I am not against Catalan & other overseas clubs. Catalan do not bring supporters in numbers here in UK to league matches, so revenues are well down to other SL. Clubs, this is a matter of fact. Therefore they bring little to the game in the uk.
Even when they went to Wembley the RL said they lost money massively due to Wembley not being a sell out !
When SL. Clubs went to Aus. Most Hull supporters took out loans to get there which would take years to pay off, thus they probably couldn't go again for a while !
Toronto also do not bring supporters here, so when they hit SL. Same equation. Therefore eventually when two more North American & Toulouse hit SL. Same equation's. Added to all this, where are all the p!ayers, 30 on avrg per new club, to come from ?
There is truly a lot more to be thought out yet !'"
Is it wrong that the home team should generate support and fill their own ground? How many Melbourne fans do you think go to Sydney every second week, or Brisbane to Sydney.....standing still is going backwards.
The game needs re modelling Batley, Swinton etc are yesterdays teams, having Wigan, Warrington, Sts, Widnes within 10 miles isn't good for sponsorship...the world is changing.
Have you noticed how the richest shop owner doesn't own a shop (Amazon) the biggest taxi company doesn't own a taxi (Uber)... yes its all very new
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| Quote ="Fishermanscap"That’s fine for those who can afford it but for those who can’t youve instantly made it exclusive. You’re absolutely barmy if you think there is an appetite for RL in Spain. If there isn’t one in London, Cardiff or Newcastle why Barcelona. One off games mean nothing.'"
There is also the logistic factor that makes it exclusive, you will probably not get 30 000 club supporters over there, you would need scheduled 120 flights at the moment you would be lucky to get 40 flights from the North of England.
Charted flights would be expensive to make up the shortfall.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"There is also the logistic factor that makes it exclusive, you will probably not get 30 000 club supporters over there, you would need scheduled 120 flights at the moment you would be lucky to get 40 flights from the North of England.
Charted flights would be expensive to make up the shortfall.'" you only have to see what happened in Baku to know it wouldn't work abroad
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| In answer to wire - quin, you have missed a very important point in your analogy ! Yes, shops have closed, the location of the shops has changed, analogy - number of SL & RL clubs close, change, but here is the point punters have not changed to amazon ! They sell to all, rich or poor, there are far more poor people by numbers that make their wealth than rich people ! The problem for the RL as a whole is Amazon can take the same product/s to the direct to the punter so location/s not a cost problem ! RL's product as a whole is stadium based & the future of various countries means punters rich or poor have to travel/visit the product. Therefore the analogy is not the same, it is distorted & not correct !
As I point out, there has to be more thought to whole situation !
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| Quote ="Judder Man"There is also the logistic factor that makes it exclusive, you will probably not get 30 000 club supporters over there, you would need scheduled 120 flights at the moment you would be lucky to get 40 flights from the North of England.
Charted flights would be expensive to make up the shortfall.'"
Nah. There are plenty of places you can fly to. The logistics wouldnt be a problem at all. In fact, I would go out on a limb and say it would be cheaper to book a package holiday to Salou for a week and then take the train up than it would be for a weekend in Barcelona
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| Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Nah. There are plenty of places you can fly to. The logistics wouldnt be a problem at all. In fact, I would go out on a limb and say it would be cheaper to book a package holiday to Salou for a week and then take the train up than it would be for a weekend in Barcelona'"
Are you being serious ?
Flights to Barcelona, especially if you fly to Girona are cheap as chips.
However, there is a world of difference between a few lads going off for a weekend on the lash and trying to move several thousand folk form A to B on the same day.
Just look at the difficulty that the Liverpool and Spurs fans have had, both in terms of getting flights /travel sorted AND the huge price hikes that they have experienced "because there is a major event".
In order to stage an event like "Magic" anywhere, there has to be multiple ways of getting there and reasonably priced accommodation AND stuff for fans to do, in order to allow them to "dip in and out" of the games.
Just for the record, flights and accommodation in Girona for 4 nights will set you back around £300 plus food & beer tokens
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| Well put wrencat, I love your level head on points, previous poster is looking at a myopic point & point of view. Still doesn't recognize Catalan mass support does not visit this country but expect all our fans to go there ! When will
our fans understand our clubs need reciprocal support for allowing them into the Super League. It is to the credit of our UK supporters via each club make a short break to their place in high numbers, they do not !
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| Quote ="TrinTrin"Well put wrencat, I love your level head on points, previous poster is looking at a myopic point & point of view. Still doesn't recognize Catalan mass support does not visit this country but expect all our fans to go there ! When will
our fans understand our clubs need reciprocal support for allowing them into the Super League. It is to the credit of our UK supporters via each club make a short break to their place in high numbers, they do not !'"
If you're relying on the money from away supporters to be successful in SL, then you really are screwed.
Catalans away support face a trip abroad every other week, English clubs have to go to Perpignan once a year... of course we take more to France than they bring here every fortnight.
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| Quote ="Little Ivor"If you're relying on the money from away supporters to be successful in SL, then you really are screwed.
Catalans away support face a trip abroad every other week, English clubs have to go to Perpignan once a year... of course we take more to France than they bring here every fortnight.'"
Catalan's away support is far better than Widnes away support when they were in SL.
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| Quote ="Little Ivor"If you're relying on the money from away supporters to be successful in SL, then you really are screwed.
Catalans away support face a trip abroad every other week, English clubs have to go to Perpignan once a year... of course we take more to France than they bring here every fortnight.'"
Isn't that precisely the point ?
Nobody can expect Catalan, Toulouse, Toronto fans to come over here for too many games, it's simply not realistic.
However, those clubs, especially Catalan and Toulouse, do benefit hugely from away fans going over there. Indeed, it was the positive impact of away fans visiting Perpignan that encouraged the South of France Tourist board (Sud De France) to sponsor Catalan.
A couple of thousand fans visiting for a few days, even if they stay outside of Perpignan, is great tourism and they put good money into the local ecconomy.
Unfortunately, there will never be any "reciprocal" trade, mainly due to weather, "the industrial North" and the frequency of their away fixtures.
Some folk on here "dream" of an international SL with half (or more) of the clubs being based overseas, not realising the full impact of their dreams.
Having said thet, I can recommend all 3 destinations. Great places to visit and you get to watch a game while you are there.
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| How strange people are, in presenting an argument that Catalan supporters face every two weeks that they would have to travel up unlike supporters here, once a year, ! Good point you say, well if that's correct they are arguing that when international rugby league in club matches hits here with several teams, we will be in the similar positiln, point/s proved using their observations ! How weird to argue for the wrong side thinking you are talking down an argument !
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| Quote ="TrinTrin"How strange people are, in presenting an argument that Catalan supporters face every two weeks that they would have to travel up unlike supporters here, once a year, ! Good point you say, well if that's correct they are arguing that when international rugby league in club matches hits here with several teams, we will be in the similar positiln, point/s proved using their observations ! How weird to argue for the wrong side thinking you are talking down an argument !'"
Personally, I'm ok with the French clubs in SL and I believe that Catalan have added something extra to the competition.
However, trying to include clubs from North America into a "localised" competition is just not practical.
Primarily due to the travel involved plus of course the logistical aspects of where they "fit", with academies etc and lets not forget, that despite many expansionists saying the additional costs are negligible, whatever the cost of travelling over there once or twice a season, this is additional cost for a cash strapped sport.
Unless of course, "we" replace the English clubs with overseas sides and manage to maintain the Sky cash to split between fewer clubs, which would more than fund the experiment.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Personally, I'm ok with the French clubs in SL and I believe that Catalan have added something extra to the competition.
However, trying to include clubs from North America into a "localised" competition is just not practical.
Primarily due to the travel involved plus of course the logistical aspects of where they "fit", with academies etc and lets not forget, that despite many expansionists saying the additional costs are negligible, whatever the cost of travelling over there once or twice a season, this is additional cost for a cash strapped sport.
Unless of course, "we" replace the English clubs with overseas sides and manage to maintain the Sky cash to split between fewer clubs, which would more than fund the experiment.'"
Well said. Let’s hold the game back because wakey and Salford can’t afford a trip over
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| Quote ="Little Ivor"If you're relying on the money from away supporters to be successful in SL, then you really are screwed.
Catalans away support face a trip abroad every other week, English clubs have to go to Perpignan once a year... of course we take more to France than they bring here every fortnight.'"
There lies the problem Triny is missing. With Catalans, London, Toronto, TO......reliance on away fans has to change. That shouldn't be a reason not to accept them, home teams need to work harder. The game is changing and needs to change fast
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| Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Well said. Let’s hold the game back because wakey and Salford can’t afford a trip over'"
You are a pr1ck of the highest order aren't you LeBron? I'd hazard a guess that if somebody worked out what % of a team's average home gate travelled over to Perpignan for the Catalans away fixture then Salford would be in the top 2 or 3.
I also assume you probably don't have a job yourself based on the amount of time you spend on here so can only assume you've never made the trip yourself due to affordability? Give me a shout next season and you can share my cab....
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| Quote ="SaleSlim"You are a pr1ck of the highest order aren't you LeBron? I'd hazard a guess that if somebody worked out what % of a team's average home gate travelled over to Perpignan for the Catalans away fixture then Salford would be in the top 2 or 3.
I also assume you probably don't have a job yourself based on the amount of time you spend on here so can only assume you've never made the trip yourself due to affordability? Give me a shout next season and you can share my cab....
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Lol he was talking about clubs not the fans but well done on such an epic rant.
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