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| 9pm saturday night would work out quite well in terms of time with Les Catalans at 6pm.
If we play our cards right and the NRL and RFL could get their heads together during the summer we could see Saturdays with games kicking off at 6pm in Auckland (4pm Sydney, 7am UK) 6pm Sydney (8pm Auckland, 9am UK) 8pm Sydney (10pm Auckland, 11am UK) 1pm UK (midnight Auckland, 10pm Sydney) 3pm uk (2am Auckland, midnight Sydney) 6pm france (5am Auckland, 3am Sydney) 8pm uk (7am Auckland, 5am Sydney) 5pm Toronto (10pm uk, 9am Auckland, 7am Sydney)
17hrs of live RL in a day, 8 games, and 5 of them (possibly 6 if sky scrapped the thursday night games) would already be being broadcast
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| Quote ="jakeyg95"*Activates Leigh fan mode*
They should be playing in their own Canadian league if they're so good. They don't benefit English RL at all.
They can take their bigger crowds and extra TV deal elsewhere, what English RL needs is Whitehaven in Super League.
They've been in the league for half a season now and the Canada team is still rubbish....WASTE OF TIME!'"
Not really fair given the obvious connection between the clubs , if they or Montreal in 2019 decide to pillage say Cas of half their squad , I'm sure we'll see a similar dislike displayed
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"
But it has been interesting to see some of the myths Toronto have busted, the arguments about the 'fairness' of P+R and it being beneficial for the game as a whole have been thrown out of the window and it is now they are at least honest about their position being solely about self-preservation and self interest.
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If this is a reference once again just to Leigh , can you provide a link to prove your claim ?
I haven't seen or read anything from the Leigh club suggesting Toronto should be treated differently to any other club
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"In fairness, its not all Leigh fans, nor only Leigh fans, unfortunately for them some of their empty vessels are the loudest.
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"If this is a reference once again just to Leigh , can you provide a link to prove your claim ?
I haven't seen or read anything from the Leigh club suggesting Toronto should be treated differently to any other club'"
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| You would have thought a sentence that included the words "its not all Leigh fans, nor only Leigh fans" would have have been clue enough.
Apparently not.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You would have thought a sentence that included the words "its not all Leigh fans, nor only Leigh fans" would have have been clue enough.
Apparently not.'"
Leigh fans opinions mean little , if it's the fans you refer to , then I don't disagree , although I haven't seen many posts by any fans discussing the supposed changes to structure , personally I hope it doesn't change , I'm looking forward to the next 8/9 games
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| It was fans i was talking about, though again not necessarily all leigh fans, nor only Leigh fans.
And we have seen the edifice that the argument for P+R was one for the wider interests fall away drastically and now it is as it always was. Self-preservation.
We have seen the argument that relegation drives crowds and interest disappear, we have seen the argument that standards would be driven from the bottom up disappear, we have seen the argument that clubs wouldnt return to damaging short-term thinking disappear, we are now starting to see resistance to the idea of a club building from the bottom up as Toronto have done.
As i said there is a large portion of the game not worried about its failure but terrified of its success. That growth might mean their club is left behind and therefor it is a bad thing even if it is good for the game as a whole
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It was fans i was talking about, though again not necessarily all leigh fans, nor only Leigh fans.
And we have seen the edifice that the argument for P+R was one for the wider interests fall away drastically and now it is as it always was. Self-preservation.
We have seen the argument that relegation drives crowds and interest disappear, we have seen the argument that standards would be driven from the bottom up disappear, we have seen the argument that clubs wouldnt return to damaging short-term thinking disappear, we are now starting to see resistance to the idea of a club building from the bottom up as Toronto have done.
As i said there is a large portion of the game not worried about its failure but terrified of its success. That growth might mean their club is left behind and therefor it is a bad thing even if it is good for the game as a whole'"
That ' large portion ' might well be from all parts of the Pro spectrum , the bigger clubs might have as much to lose as the smaller ones
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| Not immediately.
And they certainly have more to gain.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"I stopped watching a while back, their games are totally uncompetitive, I'll start watching again next season.
I think the big question is if they don't make it to Super League in 2018 or even 2019, how long will there backers be prepared to keep spending money to keep the dream alive, a transatlantic sports team can't be cheap. Hopefully Super League is expanded to 14 clubs in 2018, with 2 expansion clubs gaining promotion.'"
yeh the same here, i was interested in watching but just blow out scorelines each time became abit boring.
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| Me too, i kept premier sports on my subscription for the intrigue of the Toronto games but was bored silly by the 3rd or 4th so cancelled.
I wouldn't imagine anyone hadn't expected them to be 100% and cruising at this stage.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Me too, i kept premier sports on my subscription for the intrigue of the Toronto games but was bored silly by the 3rd or 4th so cancelled.
I wouldn't imagine anyone hadn't expected them to be 100% and cruising at this stage.'"
I suppose that's the problem created by putting them in League 1. They end up with a much better side than the rest, firstly because they can afford to, but they can't leave anything to chance either as they have to go straight up this year. They also have to plan ahead & ensure they have a squad able to compete at the top end of the Championship to save them rebuilding most of the side in the off season. The result of this is a lot of one sided matches.
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| Quote ="DGM" The result of this is a lot of one sided matches.'"
and 7,000+ crowds
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| Quote ="DGM"I suppose that's the problem created by putting them in League 1. They end up with a much better side than the rest, firstly because they can afford to, but they can't leave anything to chance either as they have to go straight up this year. They also have to plan ahead & ensure they have a squad able to compete at the top end of the Championship to save them rebuilding most of the side in the off season. The result of this is a lot of one sided matches.'"
Indeed
All those complaining about the one sided games are probably the same people who said that "expansion clubs" should work their way up from the bottom.
I know that hindsight is a wonderful thing but, we probably should have put Bradford in the bottom tier and allowed Toronto to stare in the Championship, which could have saved some of the "farce" that we've had this term.
I still feel that there needs to be some "benefit" (in terms of increased Sky sponsorship)to the ESL to have Toronto in the comp, as to keep the deal as previous will effectively mean spreading the jam more thinly but, yet again, we suffer from lack of strategy from the governing body.
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| Toronto is (or promises to be) a fantastic example of what happens when you put rugby people in charge of the rugby and marketing people in charge of the marketing, rather than following the usual rugby league way of putting rugby people in charge of the rugby, and accountants in charge of the marketing.
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| Next years Challenge Cup games....will they be allowed to to play at home (if drawn)?
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| Quote ="MattyB"Next years Challenge Cup games....will they be allowed to to play at home (if drawn)?
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Why not ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Indeed
All those complaining about the one sided games are probably the same people who said that "expansion clubs" should work their way up from the bottom.
I know that hindsight is a wonderful thing but, we probably should have put Bradford in the bottom tier and allowed Toronto to stare in the Championship, which could have saved some of the "farce" that we've had this term.
I still feel that there needs to be some "benefit" (in terms of increased Sky sponsorship)to the ESL to have Toronto in the comp, as to keep the deal as previous will effectively mean spreading the jam more thinly but, yet again, we suffer from lack of strategy from the governing body.'"
Presumably if they make it to SL then they would bring in money from a Canadian TV deal. You could presumably attract more sponsors, even for teams in England, since you're being exposed to more people and in different countries.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Why not ?'"
Their home games are all played in the uk until may anyway!
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| Quote ="DGM"I suppose that's the problem created by putting them in League 1. They end up with a much better side than the rest, firstly because they can afford to, but they can't leave anything to chance either as they have to go straight up this year. They also have to plan ahead & ensure they have a squad able to compete at the top end of the Championship to save them rebuilding most of the side in the off season. The result of this is a lot of one sided matches.'"
They are too good for even Super League, they need to play in the NRL....can this be arranged ?
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"They are too good for even Super League, they need to play in the NRL....can this be arranged ?'"
Dunno, who do you think I am, Todd Greenberg?
They'll give Leigh a pasting next year. Looking forward to that.
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| Quote ="DGM"Dunno, who do you think I am, Todd Greenberg?
They'll give Leigh a pasting next year. Looking forward to that.'"
Indeed they might , possibly depending on which SL club they decide to pillage of players in winter , my monies on Cas , unless of course Montreal get there first
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Indeed they might , possibly depending on which SL club they decide to pillage of players in winter , my monies on Cas , unless of course Montreal get there first
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Montreal are a few years off yet, but I expect them to be up to Leigh standard pretty quickly once they're up & running.
And all this "pillaging" of players , which of the "pillaged" players would get into the current Leigh side?
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| Quote ="DGM"Montreal are a few years off yet, but I expect them to be up to Leigh standard pretty quickly once they're up & running.
And all this "pillaging" of players
, which of the "pillaged" players would get into the current Leigh side?'"
Worthington definitely.
Dixon probably into the 17.
Kay possibly.
The rest not so much.
Less about who would get into the team and more about the disruption caused last season.
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