Yet we have underrated ones like one time dream team member Kevin Penny whose never played for England and would work wonders for us. We’ve got too many overrated players playing for England IMO.

bang on, me to ,lets have more overated players like him. He is very much like Lee Crooks when he broke through to the Hull team and the GB team years ago, expect no favours and give none. quality player and will tough it out with best aussies any british fans should be pleased with him

I’ll have you know that I’m quite knowledgeable on the game of rugby league but there’s room for me to learn as always. Just because I’m expressing an opinion of a certain player doesn’t seem to be as good as people make out he is doesn’t mean I don’t have a clue about the game.

James Graham is not good but good enough and that’s all you need in a team.

James Grahams big problem is that he comes across as a complete tw@. This is a big shame as he's actually a very good player. It's just his attitude that makes him unlikeable.

Like Wayne Roomey in football, remove that feisty streak and you half the player. Off the field, Jammer is a great lad. On the field he is a born winner. He hates to lose and hates to under perform.

Like Rooney, it is about maturing that attitude.

Jesus christ!





Best prop in superleague by a country mile.

I dont like Graham but I would have him at Leeds in a shot. A top quality player who gives everything he has got week in week out. He may need to cool down a bit though. If he carries on like he is he will end up burnt up by the time he is 27. He hardly ever comes off, takes the ball up 2 and 3 times a set and defends like his life depends on it.

Overrated? No.
Overworked? Deffo!!!

Just let me get this straight because I must have read it wrong. James Graham is overrated because he is effectively taking a team forward single handed and would only be tested if he was in a better pack. I need to know because later in the thread you say you know a lot about Rugby League so I must have misunderstood?

There are very vfew things I give you Poms credit for.....however.....


The most over rated player in SL.....now that is a tough field to beat!

Morley?

My god, how can the guy be overated, Damo have you seen his stats compared to any other prop in the league, he is one of the few players that will make an impact in the NRL,
Bet you wouldnt be sayin this if he was a Leeds player.

give your feet a wobble!!!!

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James Graham is a fantastic player, but as a prop he needs to not let other players get under his skin, as that is a clear sign of weakness, he needs to channel his petulance and not let it get to him, apart from looking like a stroppy little pr!ck other decent props will use this against him.

F*cking hell.

The fact that you all take him seriously is funnier than the original post.

I don't get all this about him needing to calm down his petulance. Aside from not shaking hands at the end of the game against Leeds I don't think it really changed much. He was annoyed after the chicken wing from JJB but about a minute later he was charging the ball up and putting Gilmore in for a try. As far as I can see he does sulk a bit but not to the detriment of his game.

When Graham does it, it's petulance and he needs to grow up because he's showing weaknesses. When Peacock does it, it's sheer grit and determination; it makes him 'ard.

How often when you're watching a game do you see a bit of handbags being thrown? Players getting p*ssed off with a certain challenge from a player, does that mean they're all petulant and need to stop showing weakness?

As far as I know, Peacock has never at the end of a game thrown his toys out of the pram and tried to get his teammates not to shake hands with the opposing team because they've been a little bit rough with them.

Correct, although being a Wigan fan Graham is the sort of prop I would love to have at Wigan. If he had of been injured for any long periods of time this year then they would have lost alot more games than what they have done, he carries them up the pitch pretty much by himself. I just hope because of how many games he's played already he doesn't get burnt out to soon.

That was one incident, but is that a weakness to James Graham's game? Does not shaking somebody's hand making him a poorer player?

I think we've all seen Jamie Peacock get fired up in games, we've seen him throw fists and we've seen him grip players, did he do this humorously or was he wound up?

I just think it's bollox that people think getting wound up by a chicken wing tackle means it's a weakness to his game.

Good old Damo

"anyone who doesn't play for Leeds is crap/over-rated/not good enough"

"anyone who does play for Leeds is a worldbeater/greatest player in his position/once in a lifetime player"

Correct.

James Lowes was the same. A petulanbt, gobby player who relied on these characteristics to give his the game the edge.

I seem to recall Gary Mercer trying to wind him up by feigning a zip across his mouth in a Challenge Cup semi final which backfired spectacularly.

I have seen the stats and they’re impressive I agree. But he’s punching way above his weight and is carrying the saints pack this season. Because of this he’s seen as someone whose he’s not - the best prop forward in super league by a country mile when in fact it’s a no brainer between Peacock and Morley. Graham IMO needs to be put with a good pack in order to see how great he is.

Now to say that I’ve got Leeds blinkers on is absolutely wrong. I wouldn’t mind seeing Graham in a Leeds shirt because he’ll be good enough for us as are a number of players good enough for us like Kirke, Worrall, Watkins, JJB and a few others. After all a world class team isn’t made of superstars. Its made of the likes I’ve just mentioned and for me that’s fine.

But in the Leeds team we have world class players like Burrow, McGuire, Senior, Sinfield, Peacock, Hall and Webb to name a few. I’m just afraid Graham doesn’t fit in the glatico of these players and is a very average player punching above his weight.

Damo Leeds - are you the most over-rated rlfans poster ever? Because you know diddly-squat about rugby league...among everything else in life.

Peacock, okay, he's fantastic.

But it goes Graham > the rest of the Leeds thugs.