I'm not sure about not "wanting" to sell overseas sides but, they sure as hell cant.
Confirmation of this was that "we" didn't "promote" Toronto and Toulouse at the last reshuffle.

I presume that Toronto dinn't "want" a slice of TV cash as they were confident of getting some kind of deal in N. America.
Without any TV revenue as a foundation for their income, they become ever more reliant on their consortium emptying their pockets even faster.

I'm not sure that their business model would be acceptable for any other RL side in the UK (or France) but, I guess they too are chasing the dream, it's certainly not gradual improvement, more boom and bust strategy, lets all hope that it's not the latter.

I was shown the door long before Torono-mania. I stood toe to toe with the faithful who declared union didnt have a wider reach in england and the uk than league. I should have known better, but i produced a map of the top 24 sides in the uk and then the top divisional sides acriss the uk and france. Other than london and perpignan at the time, there was a line of dots in a neat line from liverpool to hull for league whilst the uk wide map had scattered dots across the islands..... This upset the faithful, but as they knew there was no debate or way of disproving my stance, they dis what all facists do and shouted loudly and banned me.
I applaud the people who set up pub sides around the world, but an example of the fickleness of the faithful on that site is that they are struggling to raise, $500 US to sponsor a jamaican side, whilst i, a supposed union troll invested $2,000 last year in petone panthers youth sides and have been approached to help Bankroll the rebirth of the kapiti bears..... I may not have popular views, but they are rarely wrong and never the stuff that the fantasist brigade are fed by total facistrl magazine.
Put mildly. The blind belief of some of the fans of RL is exactly why we cant attract cash, sponsors, tv deals and fans..... Phoriacle as can be

No mate. Toronto said they would fund their journey to Superleague themselves, but once in Superleague they certainly did expect a equal share of the SKY TV deal. The truth is Wood accepted their entry to the Championship. TWP never spoke to Superleague - they just outspent the Championship to get the promotion to Superleague. Superleague didn't want them, be very clear about that, they openly have said so. But there was a binding agreement with the RFL that SL would not block/pick and choose who would or would not go up under the current SKY deal.

So TWP went up but there was no agreement TWP had a right to SKY money so SL refused them that money. What people don't seem to get is Superleague do not want to go Transatlantic full stop. This is why nothing is happening at New York, nothing is happening in Ottawa, and nothing much is happening at Toronto except the SBW stunt.(Axey gets this) It's all politics, but the fact is if Perez pulls Ottawa and Wilby pulls New York NOW then they effectively will kill Toronto - as Perez said NA expansion is impossible with one club. So Perez and Wilby will continue to say they are arranging for their clubs to enter the game in a year or two, but the truth is they are waiting for SL to be the ones to kill off TWP when the new SKY deal comes in.

It's really obvious to anyone whose into politics why TWP aren't boasting and bragging anymore, and Ottawa and New York have gone dead. However over on TRL, League Express and League weekly they have probably moved on to blathering about Boston, Montreal and Vancouver, with a little help from Perez who said something in line with he's recently been in touch with these other "consortiums" (and probably been in touch with the good lord himself). You just couldn't make this stuff up, but Perez has, and equally SL bosses are coy about calling it out, so when this all collapses the game will be a laughing stock

When the Hull Daily Mail asked the fans in numbers if they were excited by the American Dream 80% said NO!

Your view is indeed a popular one, do not put yourself down. But when the owners of League Express and League Weekly and the Moderator on TRL can decide what's right and wrong as it's their paper. their magazine and their website, and they can ban any "dissent" then you are a dead man. But not on here, so keep doing what your doing and you will have the last guffaw...

...... But please remember that it will be the fault of the RFL/SL and not the readership of the fascistrl papers who are happy to attend games only if they can get there using their gold card to pay for the bus and who would do a better job of running the sport from their bedrooms


The vanity of those who make a living penning fantacy, eagerly lapped up by lemmings means they will never admit they were wrong

Why do you continually assert that totalrl.com, it’s owner, and it’s publications, are fascist?

Have they ever advocated a right wing dictatorship, based on glorification of violence, and reverence for an idyllic, mythical past, either in the UK or any other country?

Or is your emotive, negative labeling just a petty, spiteful response by you to the management of their website deciding to ban you from membership, based upon your record as a troll, pest, and general troublemaker?

Boom.... Another irony meter in the bin

Why do you continually try to derail threads on here what does not appeal to your personal agenda, you've made it quite clear with your many personal attacks on poor old axey what your thoughts on him are, it does get tiresome reading your misguided and unwarranted vitriol aimed at him, go to Kiev for a holiday and spread the love.

Feel free to go post exclusively on there then, not ONE SINGLE PERSON would miss you on here.

Because he can without any fear of moderation.

Fascism is forceable supression of individual opposition to a philosphy or movement marked out with strong dictatorial control.

Axey does not support the philosophy of the American dream nor the movement towards a Transatlantic Superleague.

He was forceably removed from making his views known, probably just after those who run the site started to tell posters they could not reply in negative terms to a thread on Toronto Wolfpack in which the general theme was they were wonderful and anyone who agreed to that could post but anyone not in disagreement could not.

That OK

My definition of fascism is more accurate than yours.

My account of why Gutterfax was banned — which happened years before anyone had even thought of a team from Toronto — is also more accurate than yours.

So it seems the whole conversation has now died on the basis of one person goading others to have an argument that is then stretched out to the point those who only want to talk RL are somewhat elbowed out by the goading - but also by replying to the goading. The solution is to complain to the mods, and if they feel no rules are broken then don't reply to the person. It seems that's where the problem lies, so I'd better stop replying to him. Shouldn't others?

They felt the fall out from that one way back in Chorley

Let's get back on track here in which trolling isn't replied to? (do we all agree?). Your right above but the issue is we are in a transitional phase from the RFL running the game to SL running SL, so it is now up to SL if they want to promote NA and French clubs and they do not. They do not want these clubs pulling players abroad and depressing crowds here.

When you say "selling" TWP, it's worth (now I have my 2019 RL yearbook) noting the lie as regards TWP's ability to draw the fans here. Leigh have been this last couple of years by far and away the biggest drawcard in the Championship followed by Bradford Bulls and Widnes. In contrast Toronto have been responsible for a significant number of below average crowds here.

Once they start losing in Superleague their pulling power will drop even further, hence the SBW stunt. What's notable beyond this is how they seem to be signing up their Championship side not just for 2020 but also 2021 as well. It all smacks of just going through the motions before SL have the power to axe them. For those who wonder why New York and Ottawa seem to have pulled right back from joining last year, this year or even next - well there is no point if TWP are to be axed for 2022 is there. Perhaps league Express and League Weekly should investigate?

Do you have any link to prove or disprove which club(s) were the biggest draw in the Championship last season ?

As for SL clubs not wanting their players to be "taken" by TWP, aside from stoking wage inflation, I dont see TWP as the enemy here.
The biggest threat on UK players moving away from SL is the NRL or Union and apart from on field success, there is little or nothing that the SL clubs can do to prevent this.

On the flip side, we certainly take far more from the NRL in terms of players than they do from SL and surely it's better if clubs are clever in how they manage their players and squads, although it's almost a given that, if a club over here unearths or re homes a gem from down under, they will be on their way back pretty damn quick if a decent offer comes in.
This may be negated slightly with the marque player rule but, we cant kid ourselves that any player would stay in SL if they believed that they could have a chance of success in Australia.

On the TV deal, I think that you are 100% correct, in that Toronto, despite the "dreamers'" regular wet dreams about N. American TV deals etc, they appear not to be wanted by Sky and although this could theoretically change if we were to move to a different broadcaster, I dont believe there will ever be sufficient interest over there to negotiate any TV deal, other than pay per view for some of the locals.

Having said that, I still believe that there would have been some mileage in "promoting" Toulouse, which, although likely to cause competition with Catalan, in terms of 2 clubs fighting over a relatively small number of French SL standard players. This could have increased interest in the game over there, which could only be a good thing in the longer term and a genuine French "derby" game would be a great "draw".

Finally, you seem more clued up on the potential negotiations of SL in terms of negotiating their own deal but, I guess we will have to see what Mr Elstone comes up with.
The next TV deal will be massive, in terms of what may happen to the sport over the next 5-10 years, almost do or die.

Toronto aren't wanted by SKY your right, they want English clubs to get English subscribers. That won't change if say BT bought the rights as they too need English subscribers as you intimate. May I say that Eric Perez said there was no point to TWP in Superlegaue on their own, as they would not create enough interest to attract a TV deal as Mr. McDermott recently confirmed. Mr. Perez said at least 5 clubs needed to be North American to get an NA TV deal.

So we lost London for TWP, we now only need to lose Wakefield for Ottawa, Cas for New York, HKR for Montreal and Hull for Boston and then the North American clubs can get a TV deal.

But we will of course have lost ours at the point that Superleague has only 8 English clubs which is too little for SKY.

The Transatlantic thing has been argued for years but the simple fact is it can't work, you can't satisfy broadcasters both sides of the channel at the same time.

I am sure Eric Perez claimed a first for his Transatlantic idea, but is the man really so stupid as to not understand that broadcasters won't go for it. The fact is he is NOT stupid but he thinks RL people here are!! All his remit ever was I'm sure was to ensure Argylle got a Superleague side. perez knows all these phoney NA consortiums aren't goint to waste $$Millions year after year which is what Argyle is doing......

If Toronto is successful in 2020 then expect another Canadian franchise bid, probably from Montreal, to follow Ottawa.

We don't have franchises..... That's why Perez bought the hemel stags.
Post as many soundbites as you like, but the reality has already been explained in here plenty of times already

Donnyman keeps posting that sky don’t want Toronto (if that was the case, there is no way they would have been promoted, but I digress..)

So what evidence does he have for this ludicrous statement. None of course. He is just the latest in a long line of anti expansionist trolls who have been shown up

So you being a pro expansionist troll is okay ?

Hilarious, you have so many logins, all of which you use to troll.

He's explained it a number of times, but those of you too thick to understand need a diagram drawn for you..
THE RFL admitted Toronto and the current TV deal declares that P&R remains for the duration. Toronto won Promotion, ergo they are up.


You and Jean need to buy shares in an irony meter factory the number of times you cause massive systems failure to them...

You have no evidence to support that ludicrous allegation.