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| Quote ="Upanunder"Salford were always the red devils as far as I can remember.
I thought they cut "devils" during that period of sooper dooper nfl/baseball/basketball re-branding, I dunno.
Not everything transposed from those sports looks as crass, the marketing of the event, corporate and event entertainment and the general hyperbole introduce was a decent refresh of an old format.
But once you start messing with a hundred years of club identity, it riles people up, not surprising really.
It was poop when it was introduced, and its poop now.
Not picking on Leeds particularly but I guess there'll be paying fans now that have never known them as anything other than the Rhinos, which I think is a shame, and I kinda wonder how they'd feel about dropping it after 20 years.
If not dropping it then at least putting something on there that ties them to 130 years of history playing Rugby in Leeds.
Leeds Rhinos sounds like they were formed yesterday and that it could be something else tomorrow, it gives no hint of their stature or level of participation in creating our sport over the years.'"
The Leeds Rhinos Rugby league football club, ties in with history fine thanks, and being a supporter since the early 80’s i have lived with the Rhinos badge and without it, and I prefer the Rhinos brand, i have friends all over the country who do not know too much anout our game, but know the Leeds Rhinos are a Rugby league side.
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| Quote ="Upanunder"Not everything transposed from those sports looks as crass, the marketing of the event, corporate and event entertainment and the general hyperbole introduce was a decent refresh of an old format.
But once you start messing with a hundred years of club identity, it riles people up, not surprising really.
It was poop when it was introduced, and its poop now.
Not picking on Leeds particularly but I guess there'll be paying fans now that have never known them as anything other than the Rhinos, which I think is a shame, and I kinda wonder how they'd feel about dropping it after 20 years.
If not dropping it then at least putting something on there that ties them to 130 years of history playing Rugby in Leeds.
Leeds Rhinos sounds like they were formed yesterday and that it could be something else tomorrow, it gives no hint of their stature or level of participation in creating our sport over the years.'"
We have got something on their that ties with 130 years of playing rugby in Leeds.....it’s the “Leeds” part of Leeds Rhinos.
If we reverted back to Leeds RL it would be a step back imo. Adding something to it would just be akin to the Wakefield scenario where they had both Trinity and Wildcats in their name and it didn’t work.
As much as people saying these names are poop and don’t work, where is the evidence that Rhinos HASN’T worked?
Again Leeds were in a much different position to other rugby clubs around the start of SL in that we had a football team in the city who were one of the top 4/5 names in the country at that time and playing in and reaching the SF’s of European competitions, even now with all the troubles they’ve had they’re probably still around the top 10/12 names in the country. When it comes to sport and you say Leeds, people think of the football team first. Others like Wakefield, Saints and Warrington don’t have the football club problem and even the SL clubs that do have football clubs in their cities like Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield....those football teams were languishing in the lower leagues back in 1996 (Hull and Wigan were in the 4th tier) and even now that each have had spells in the Premiership aren’t as big and recognised names as Leeds United.
If the Wakefield city had historically one of the top teams in football called Wakefield Trinity FC, do you think just being Wakefield Trinity RL would be the best for them?
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| Just because a club changes its name it doesn’t mean it erases or ignores it’s history. After all Leeds first name was Leeds St Johns and virtually clubs changed their names when the Northern League was founded to include RLFC.
As for Salford, I understand entirely why existing fans would be against it but I still think they need to change their name to Manchester to prosper.
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| Quote ="Him"Just because a club changes its name it doesn’t mean it erases or ignores it’s history. After all Leeds first name was Leeds St Johns and virtually clubs changed their names when the Northern League was founded to include RLFC.
As for Salford, I understand entirely why existing fans would be against it but I still think they need to change their name to Manchester to prosper.'"
I couldn't disagree more about there being any benefit to Salford changing their name to Manchester they are two completely different cities all be it they are neighbours. Salford need to find a way of interesting the people of Salford first and foremost and that's not an easy task given the the demographic that makes the city difficult to deal with including it's proximity to Manchester and its football culture
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"See your PM Rollin'"
What Pm, I see you have removed my post, why, there was nothing wrong with it?
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snipped, not to discount your posts, I'm just saving ink in saying I don't agree with any points in either of them, but crack on all the same.
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| To be fair to Warrington, the grey wolf of Cheshire has long been associated with the crest of the club and the town... even if the animal moniker hadn’t been adopted you’d still see plenty of wolf-related stuff and almost certainly a Wolfie mascot...
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| Quote ="Upanunder"snipped, not to discount your posts, I'm just saving ink in saying I don't agree with any points in either of them, but crack on all the same.'"
So my post was not offensive, it did not break any rules, you just removed it because you do not agree with it. So vastman starts a post with the sole intension of having a did at Leeds rhinos because lets face it thats what it is. But my response questioning the redressive attitude is the one that’s removed, i repeat this post is a pointless pathetic post started by bitter jealous Wakefield fans serving no purpose. If you do not agree then come back eith some valid arguments against rather than just deleting my post.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"So my post was not offensive, it did not break any rules, you just removed it because you do not agree with it. So vastman starts a post with the sole intension of having a did at Leeds rhinos because lets face it thats what it is. But my response questioning the redressive attitude is the one that’s removed, i repeat this post is a pointless pathetic post started by bitter jealous Wakefield fans serving no purpose. If you do not agree then come back eith some valid arguments against rather than just deleting my post.'"
I cut IT and PRINTERS post (as I was quoting both at the same time) to save space, it CLEARLY say's that at the beginning of my post, not because either of them are offensive, they aren't.
It also clearly states I'm not interested in arguing any points they make because I just don't agree with them.
You've said your bit, I've said mine, there is no point in taking it any further.
I don't think the thread is about Leeds, as 5h1t as Rhinos is, its hardly forging a lone expedition in to juvenile RL club monikers.
now just go back to arguing with yourself in an empty room, in fact take Printer with you, he's an expert a manufacturing a position from which he can have a good argument about FA.
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| Quote ="Upanunder"now just go back to arguing with yourself in an empty room, in fact take Printer with you, he's an expert a manufacturing a position from which he can have a good argument about FA.'"
I’m “arguing”/debating the exact same thing as you and was started by someone else. Just had a different view on things.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"So you have the power to cut other people’s posts that you don’t agree with, then say its juvenile, then go to say Rhinos is a s**t name. Censoring posts that you just don’t like is about as juvenile as it gets. Talj about taking your ball home, What a w**k** you are.'"
You are talking to the wrong person.
He didn't take your post down. I did.
All he did was reply to your second post and take out the quoted bit because it was so long.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"So you have the power to cut other people’s posts that you don’t agree with, then say its juvenile, then go to say Rhinos is a s**t name. Censoring posts that you just don’t like is about as juvenile as it gets. Talj about taking your ball home, What a w**k** you are.'"
Wow bit aggressive, clearly he got to you, poor show old boy.
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| Quote ="TheDreadnought"I don’t think we will be seeing Rollin Thunder for a while.'"
really why. its not me censoring perfectly legitimate posts.
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| Quote ="TheDreadnought"I don’t think we will be seeing Rollin Thunder for a while.'"
Certain posters on here have immunity (mainly Saints and Leeds fans) - he's clearly broken an AUP but nothing, no edit, no warning nothing yet I'll probably get another PM for criticising the moderation process.
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| Quote ="vastman"Certain posters on here have immunity (mainly Saints and Leeds fans) - he's clearly broken an AUP but nothing, no edit, no warning nothing yet I'll probably get another PM for criticising the moderation process.
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I've had my fair share of tellings off on here in the past, some more than warranted but some of them I've found myself thinking how bored must they be to pull me up on certain things.
I ain't bothered anyway, get banned just create a new account. I guess it's a little different in your situation Vasty, long time member and all that!
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| Quote ="TheDreadnought"I ain't bothered anyway, get banned just create a new account. I guess it's a little different in your situation Vasty, long time member and all that!'"
Yeah you could do that. But for the benefit of you and everyone else who keeps getting banned and creating another username, the moderators know what you're doing and who you are. A new username isn't going to circumvent a ban for very long.
You should see the moderators private forum. "So I see X is back on again under the name Y. You can tell it's them because they are still being incredibly irritating." Then we press Ban again.
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| Quote ="vastman"Certain posters on here have immunity (mainly Saints and Leeds fans) - he's clearly broken an AUP but nothing, no edit, no warning nothing yet I'll probably get another PM for criticising the moderation process.
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No one has immunity, and you don't know what sanctions if any, happen behind the scenes. You may wish to think the mods brought town the twin towers and killed Diana, but please don't derail threads with your theories. Ta.
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| It's a shame the thread was derailed like that. It was going well with different views.
The post that was edited was off topic and being abusive to the poster rather than discussing the topic.
As the very next post was from the same person discussing the topic I took the first one out, sending a PM to give a gentle warning.
Let's get back on track please then no more warnings needed.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Yeah you could do that. But for the benefit of you and everyone else who keeps getting banned and creating another username, the moderators know what you're doing and who you are. A new username isn't going to circumvent a ban for very long.
You should see the moderators private forum. "So I see X is back on again under the name Y. You can tell it's them because they are still being incredibly irritating." Then we press Ban again.'"
Is that an example or are you saying I’m incredibly irritating?
Haven’t done owt wrong anyway so not bothered
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The coolest mascot in sport.
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| Quote ="Salford red all over"Are you being serious and suggesting we decided it would be a good idea to "borrow" United's nickname ????
You really should have some idea what you are talking about before putting it to print, if you said United decided to use our nickname which proved to be very successful for them you would have been correct.
[iSalford were the first club to be invited to tour France who saw them as the premier side in the game. Their trip in October and November 1934 was to promote rugby league in the country. They won all six matches in spectacular fashion and were given their unofficial nickname; Les Diables Rouges (The Red Devils) by French journalists. The opening game was in Paris on Sunday 21 October, following an overnight ferry journey, having beaten Wigan 21–12 in the Lancashire Cup final the previous afternoon.[/i
[iSir Matt Busby,legendary united manager, adopted this nickname for his team which he was rebuilding after the Munich air disaster of 1958.He no longer wanted to continue with the nickname "The Busby Babes" and hence took the nickname of the aforementioned rugby team which was performing very well at the time.[/i'"
Bit of an overreaction hey. It seems I wasn't the only one not to know the history of that name - well, you live & learn but you'd have thought I'd had had some malicious dig at your club with that response.
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| How many teams have binned their nickname from the original ones?
Wakefield obviously
Hull were Sharks now FC again
St Helens were Saints for a while and dropped that.
Salford with Red Devils and Reds?
London a few times.
Any others?
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