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| No Sinfield in that list?
Does this mean Danny Brough is guaranteed an England shirt all next year on the back of his individual success this year?
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| and not good enough for McNamara's England?
behind a good pack of forwards, he could have had a field day.
but we will never know now.
lets hope the lads can do us proud this afternoon!
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"No Sinfield in that list?
Does this mean Danny Brough is guaranteed an England shirt all next year on the back of his individual success this year?'"
Which part of he's playing for Scotland are you missing?
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"Which part of he's playing for Scotland are you missing?'"
The part where he switched to England...
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| If he would switch back then it gives us a player to take over the scrum half mantle. Sinfield was actually very good. A few years back with more pace in his legs that show and go and he would have been over the line himself in the first half.
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| If anyone thinks Brough would have added to what was probably the best game I've seen a halfback pairing play for England you're mad
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| Quote ="christopher"If anyone thinks Brough would have added to what was probably the best game I've seen a halfback pairing play for England you're mad'"
Englands Kicking was rubbish all game. Sinfield, Burrow, Roby and Widdop were poor kicking on the last.
Brough would have done far better than any of the above,
Anyone who thinks Brough would not have improved Englands kicking game is mad
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"The part where he switched to England...'"
And that sums up everything wrong with the international game...
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Englands Kicking was rubbish all game. Sinfield, Burrow, Roby and Widdop were poor kicking on the last.
Brough would have done far better than any of the above,
Anyone who thinks Brough would not have improved Englands kicking game is mad'"
England kicking game wasn't rubbish at all you are just proving you know very little about the game of RL with all your recent posts.
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| Quote ="christopher"England kicking game wasn't rubbish at all you are just proving you know very little about the game of RL with all your recent posts.'"
Disagree. Most downfield kicks were straight down the full backs throat or rubbish along the floor.
Close to the line, yeah I thought the kicking was good.
Sinfield struggled to get England territory with his kicking.
I don't think he played bad at all. I just think his kicking was poor and thought that before his last second brain fart.
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"And that sums up everything wrong with the international game...
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But that's not exactly an argument against not picking Brough, is it?
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| Quote ="christopher"England kicking game wasn't rubbish at all you are just proving you know very little about the game of RL with all your recent posts.'"
Quote Bull mania wrote
Need to improve our kicking game drastically.'"
Quote Dutchy wrote
Poor kick though'"
E Quote AST HULL FAN Thought Sinfield was going to kick us into the final?? might do it at club level but hope he never plays for england again after this WC.'"
Quote Salford 1970
Sinfield hasn't place kicked well today'"
Not just me.
You are so busy up Sinfields booty you ignore the fact that Englnd.s kicking game was poor and think this is only down to Sinfield. You are looking for ghosts in the room that are not there.
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| If danny brough had been selected for england it would have cured world hunger.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"If danny brough had been selected for england it would have cured world hunger.'"
If Gareth Widdop had been picked for the game against Australia it could have cured English Rl's financial problems.
I think my suggesstion is far more realistic than yours .
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| Quote ="christopher"If anyone thinks Brough would have added to what was probably the best game I've seen a halfback pairing play for England you're mad'"
We will never know. Brough could have given us that extra 1% that took us over the line. Maybe he would have gone missing, no one will ever know. Sinfield and Widdop played very well together. That is why i've been saying all through the tournament to give Widdop an 80 minute game to show what he can do, 20 minute spells don't give any player to show what they can do. How big a mistake was Mcnamara's faith in Chase?
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"We will never know. Brough could have given us that extra 1% that took us over the line. Maybe he would have gone missing, no one will ever know. Sinfield and Widdop played very well together. That is why i've been saying all through the tournament to give Widdop an 80 minute game to show what he can do, 20 minute spells don't give any player to show what they can do. How big a mistake was Mcnamara's faith in Chase?'"
Exactly.
It was a mistake having Widdop on the sidelines in favour a Chase. Took him three years to realise. Same could possibly be said about Sinfield over Brough but we will never know under McNamara.
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| Given Brough is much much quicker, he'd have gotten to the player rather than Sinfield's floundering a la 2005 against Paul Cooke, he hasn't learn't a thing. Sinfield came out the D-line in the first half in exactly the same fashion..
And yes, Brough would have been better, Sinfield's kicking was average at best especially when he should have kicked at least to touch if not made the ball dead on our last set, that was absolutely dreadful.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Given Brough is much much quicker, he'd have gotten to the player rather than Sinfield's floundering a la 2005 against Paul Cooke, he hasn't learn't a thing. Sinfield came out the D-line in the first half in exactly the same fashion..
And yes, Brough would have been better, Sinfield's kicking was average at best especially when he should have kicked at least to touch if not made the ball dead on our last set, that was absolutely dreadful.'"
What a load of rubbish. Brough would have been swatted off with ease, and he wouldn't have set up the two tries Sinfield did that you conveniently forget.
Brough will never be our answer at half back, he simply isn't good enough for this level. Other than Myler we actually don't have a good enough standard out and out scrum half in this country at the moment. Hence why Sinfield had to fill that role as well.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Given Brough is much much quicker, he'd have gotten to the player rather than Sinfield's floundering a la 2005 against Paul Cooke, he hasn't learn't a thing. Sinfield came out the D-line in the first half in exactly the same fashion..
And yes, Brough would have been better, Sinfield's kicking was average at best especially when he should have kicked at least to touch if not made the ball dead on our last set, that was absolutely dreadful.'"
Of course he would, maybe he'd have failed to make touch on our penalties like he did against the kiwis?
What you are also disregarding is john sons footwork to beat Sinfield, he's made quite a few people look mugs with his footwork before!
If Sinfield had made that tackle NZ don't score if Sinfield stays in line NZ score as they had the numbers on us.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"What a load of rubbish. Brough would have been swatted off with ease, and he wouldn't have set up the two tries Sinfield did that you conveniently forget'"
How do you know that? He was the best player in the league this year. Sinfield wasn't the best this year. In fact I think he has been poor all year. But he played well today.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"How do you know that? He was the best player in the league this year. Sinfield wasn't the best this year. In fact I think he has been poor all year. But he played well today.'"
Brough as good a player he is, is not a top notch defender, to say Brough would have shut SJ is pure conjecture.
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| This is the Danny brough who is still looking for dummy tuivasa-sheck sold him a week ago?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"This is the Danny brough who is still looking for dummy tuivasa-sheck sold him a week ago?'"
I hadn't highlighted that because I didn't want to get into this individual player thing. However, now you have raised it.....more telling than the missed tackle, was the walk back rather than chase back afterwards.
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| The argument about brough is stupid. He took his bat and ball because he wasn't first choice.
If he's going to do that, by definition he doesn't have the attitude to success for england at this level.
Talking hypothetically about what would or wouldn't have happened with brough in the team is just a pointless, nonsense discussion.
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| Quote ="christopher"Of course he would, maybe he'd have failed to make touch on our penalties like he did against the kiwis?
What you are also disregarding is john sons footwork to beat Sinfield, he's made quite a few people look mugs with his footwork before!
=#FF0000If Sinfield had made that tackle NZ don't score if Sinfield stays in line NZ score as they had the numbers on us.'"
Two big ifs there.
I will add a third IF Sinfield stays in line they score a try on the touch line. Then it makes the kick at goal very difficult and it is probably a tied game
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