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| Quote ="secondstanza"Not sure Wakefield are in any position out of all of the SL teams to complain of being "grubby" when they seem to have a player banned every week, certainly recently. I suppose that's the beauty of having a mindset that the governing body hates your team - you get banned because of them and not your teams play. If I'm wrong in this assessment I apologise.
I genuinely believe Wakefield would be pushing for an even higher position than they are had they not had the discipline issues. Prior to what another comment said I think they're playing very good rugby and consistently so well done to them for that.
Discipline recently has been awful for Wigan the last month or so and they've nobody to blame but themselves. It's hard enough to compete against the top sides put you're making that even harder for stupid reasons. Touching the ref. Fighting. There's no excuse.'"
That's just funny, really 
I've watched all the SL since it's inception and plenty of RL before that but, Wigans whole style of play, under Wane, is different from that of any other club.
Catalan play a fierce brand of RL but, NOBODY else plays as close to (or maybe over) the line as the "mighty Wigan".
Every coach should try back his players but Mr Wane will defend the indefensible and some of the stuff that he has said pre match to his players and post match are nothing to do with playing sport but more about win at all costs, regardless of what that means for player welfare or the image of the sport.
Wane blames anything but his own players and the culture that appears to be fostered inside the club, is showing up really well isn't it ? |
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I've watched all the SL since it's inception and plenty of RL before that but, Wigans whole style of play, under Wane, is different from that of any other club.
Catalan play a fierce brand of RL but, NOBODY else plays as close to (or maybe over) the line as the "mighty Wigan".
Every coach should try back his players but Mr Wane will defend the indefensible and some of the stuff that he has said pre match to his players and post match are nothing to do with playing sport but more about win at all costs, regardless of what that means for player welfare or the image of the sport.
Wane blames anything but his own players and the culture that appears to be fostered inside the club, is showing up really well isn't it ?'"
Wane is just carrying on the teachings of Michael Maguire whose tough regime and lack of welfare for players was easy to introduce into super league due to the weakness of the RFL. Cannonball and chicken wing tackles came into our game through his methods.
Some Wigan fans will know but not admit it that there was a condone of tackles to injure, this was evident by the large game time posters on the walls of the orrell training ground which they titled "car crash victims" or "road kill".
For Wane his lack of technical coaching is glossed over by his 100% commitment to tough physicality which is more a brand of "Thugby", these methods not mandatory adopted by other clubs fortunately due to the risks of player(s) losing control. |
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I don't have a problem with Wigan playing the game tough. In fact I sometimes enjoy it and occasionally admire it.
However these type of tackles, cannonballs, chicken wings, pinning ankles, kneeling/pressuring calves, crushers etc aren't tough. They're cowardly and Wigan (or any other team) don't need them to still be a top team.
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We've had one player banned for a tackle on the legs (it wasn't a cannonball ffs), one for touching a ref and one for a high tackle. Hardly all out war on the pitch is it?
Fwiw we have been on the end of plenty of shathouse tactics ourselves this season. Clubb is out for the season and requires neck surgery because of a crusher tackle by a player that wasn't banned, not referred to the disciplinary and not even penalised.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"We've had one player banned for a tackle on the legs (it wasn't a cannonball ffs), one for touching a ref and one for a high tackle. Hardly all out war on the pitch is it?
Fwiw we have been on the end of plenty of shathouse tactics ourselves this season. Clubb is out for the season and requires neck surgery because of a crusher tackle by a player that wasn't banned, not referred to the disciplinary and not even penalised.'"
you are the only one claiming it was a crusher tackle, (probably the ape too), ive seen the game back a couple of times and not seen anything, yet you keep harping on about it |
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"We've had one player banned for a tackle on the legs (it wasn't a cannonball ffs), one for touching a ref and one for a high tackle. Hardly all out war on the pitch is it?
Fwiw we have been on the end of plenty of shathouse tactics ourselves this season. Clubb is out for the season and requires neck surgery because of a crusher tackle by a player that wasn't banned, not referred to the disciplinary and not even penalised.'"
Its probably quite difficult for a wigan fan to understand and accept, yes we have lots of players (enforcers) in the game that do the bad stuff but it is not built into a structure extensively like the Wigan one. The RFL have a lot to blame in that they seem to give one particular team a certain amount of tolerance, hence the recent concern on appeals and leniency. Like posters have already said do we have to wait until a player breaks someones neck, causes permanent damage, fatality etc. |
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat""Snap the pole"'"
Quite - that was the beginning of Wigan's introduction of Thugby League under Maguire; the dressing room was adorned with incitements to injure the opposition. Wane has continued that ethos, but with significantly less finesse than his Aussie mentor - amply demonstrated by his documentary appearance, when he exhorted his players to: ""Knock people out. I can't give you any more of a free rein than that. Create f***ing mayhem. Be reckless. Because that's what's going to get us a f***ing win next week." |
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You've got to love the hypocrisy on display here. Wigan fouls are to be condemned, other fouls to be excused or glossed over. Player welfare is a huge concern until a Wigan player gets injured by one of yours. Sort your own houses out first.
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Quote ="Wigg'n"We've had one player banned for a tackle on the legs (it wasn't a cannonball ffs), one for touching a ref and one for a high tackle. Hardly all out war on the pitch is it?
Fwiw we have been on the end of plenty of shathouse tactics ourselves this season. Clubb is out for the season and requires neck surgery because of a crusher tackle by a player that wasn't banned, not referred to the disciplinary and not even penalised.'"
Forget bans and what's in the rules or not. Listen to Mcdermott's post match interview on the rhinos website.
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Fwiw we have been on the end of plenty of shathouse tactics ourselves this season. Clubb is out for the season and requires neck surgery because of a crusher tackle by a player that wasn't banned, not referred to the disciplinary and not even penalised.'"
Forget bans and what's in the rules or not. Listen to Mcdermott's post match interview on the rhinos website.
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The man employs Carl "Third Man In" Ablett. Didn't he gouge someone's eye the other night or are we not supposed to talk about that? |
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"The man employs Carl "Third Man In" Ablett. Didn't he gouge someone's eye the other night or are we not supposed to talk about that?'"
Excellent defence mechanisms.
1.Mcdermott hasn't defended Ablett.
2.I haven't seen the incident but from what i gather it was part of a scuffle. It's not something that is systematically coached, I.E ablett going into every tackle gouging.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Excellent defence mechanisms.
1.Mcdermott hasn't defended Ablett.
2.I haven't seen the incident but from what i gather it was part of a scuffle. It's not something that is systematically coached, I.E ablett going into every tackle gouging.
3. It's not specifically 3rd men in. It's where they are going in.'"
Oh well I suppose if he only gouges players in scuffles that's ok. If that's Mcdermott's attitude no wonder Ablett's the way he is. Maybe he should address the issues within his own club rather than turning a blind eye to them? |
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Oh well I suppose if he only gouges players in scuffles that's ok. If that's Mcdermott's attitude no wonder Ablett's the way he is. Maybe he should address the issues within his own club rather than turning a blind eye to them?'"
No one has said it was ok. I pointed out the fact it happened in a scuffle to illustrate the fact it wasn't a premeditated act. Whereas those type of tackle are. But instead of debating the point you are just deflecting. Classic defence mechanisms. I'll not elaborate on this issue because I don't want to go there so I'll just point out something someone else did. |
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"No one has said it was ok. I pointed out the fact it happened in a scuffle to illustrate the fact it wasn't a premeditated act. Whereas those type of tackle are. But instead of debating the point you are just deflecting. Classic defence mechanisms. I'll not elaborate on this issue because I don't want to go there so I'll just point out something someone else did.'"
I'm not deflecting, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it. If anyone is deflecting it's McDermott since his player gouged someone and he points the finger at Wigan. Like I said, some people need to sort their own houses out or their holier than thou posturing looks pretty phony. |
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"I'm not deflecting, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it. If anyone is deflecting it's McDermott since his player gouged someone and he points the finger at Wigan. Like I said, some people need to sort their own houses out or their holier than thou posturing looks pretty phony.'"
He was asked about the Tautai tackle last week after the match and he answered, he was asked about Wane's comments after this weeks match and he answered. Hardly deflecting by answering the questions put to him. If somebody asked him about a possible gouge by Ablett and he declined to talk about it and changed subject then you'd have a point, but since they didn't then you don't have anything. I doubt minutes after the game ended he was online checking out all the stills opposition fans had posted of the Ablett incident to even know about it. |
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Brian Mac said what RL supporters of clubs other than Wigan have been saying for ages - that type of reckless, unnecessary tackle technique is a scourge on the game and should be stamped out. I can't see how anyone can find that to be controversial - it's undeniably the case.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Brian Mac said what RL supporters of clubs other than Wigan have been saying for ages - that type of reckless, unnecessary tackle technique is a scourge on the game and should be stamped out. I can't see how anyone can find that to be controversial - it's undeniably the case.'"
Thing is as well, that after the Wigan game his initial comments he did his best to not point the finger at Wane or Wigan or even Tautai. He just wanted to point towards that type of tackle in the game in general.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"He was asked about the Tautai tackle last week after the match and he answered, he was asked about Wane's comments after this weeks match and he answered. Hardly deflecting by answering the questions put to him. If somebody asked him about a possible gouge by Ablett and he declined to talk about it and changed subject then you'd have a point, but since they didn't then you don't have anything. I doubt minutes after the game ended he was online checking out all the stills opposition fans had posted of the Ablett incident to even know about it.'"
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He's absolutely spot on, the RFL are absolutely culpable in what happens both on and off the field. By allowing certain aspects of the game to slide they by definition do not discourage it, the nature of some human beings to try to get away with as much as they can not just in sport but in life as a whole is obvious and has gone on since when we were in caves (Wane is mentally still there at times).
If it were my leg that got broken or I had to give up my career due to an injury/incident from a tackle like this (& the wigan player isn't the only one nor will he be the last) I would be taking a course of legal action against the RFL for recompense and to force them to change how they run the game, that laying out exactly why they have not done enough and basically ignored the safety of players on field by not addressing the problem as highlighted by BM and many others.
The RFL make a big noise about player welfare and reducing injuries but it's come to a point where if BM is saying players are fearful of what might happen when they are stood up in a tackle then you know there is something seriously, seriously wrong.
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He's absolutely spot on, the RFL are absolutely culpable in what happens both on and off the field. By allowing certain aspects of the game to slide they by definition do not discourage it, the nature of some human beings to try to get away with as much as they can not just in sport but in life as a whole is obvious and has gone on since when we were in caves (Wane is mentally still there at times).
If it were my leg that got broken or I had to give up my career due to an injury/incident from a tackle like this (& the wigan player isn't the only one nor will he be the last) I would be taking a course of legal action against the RFL for recompense and to force them to change how they run the game, that laying out exactly why they have not done enough and basically ignored the safety of players on field by not addressing the problem as highlighted by BM and many others.
The RFL make a big noise about player welfare and reducing injuries but it's come to a point where if BM is saying players are fearful of what might happen when they are stood up in a tackle then you know there is something seriously, seriously wrong.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"I'm not deflecting, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it. If anyone is deflecting it's McDermott since his player gouged someone and he points the finger at Wigan. Like I said, some people need to sort their own houses out or their holier than thou posturing looks pretty phony.'"
I think the finger should point to Wane as far as hypocrisy goes, maybe he doesn't know the meaning of it and perhaps he thinks its some sort of pelvic bone disease. As far as gouging is concerned I should imagine Ablett is very poor standard in comparison to Gareth Hock.
McDermott's comments were very neutral and balanced in the context of the sport, his opinion on Krap Wane was a surprise but probably quite valid over the last 4 weeks, Wane needs to wind his neck in, but that might be difficult because I don't think he's got one. |
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I think the finger should point to Wane as far as hypocrisy goes, maybe he doesn't know the meaning of it and perhaps he thinks its some sort of pelvic bone disease. As far as gouging is concerned I should imagine Ablett is very poor standard in comparison to Gareth Hock.
McDermott's comments were very neutral and balanced in the context of the sport, his opinion on Krap Wane was a surprise but probably quite valid over the last 4 weeks, Wane needs to wind his neck in, but that might be difficult because I don't think he's got one.'"
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I think the finger should point to Wane as far as hypocrisy goes, maybe he doesn't know the meaning of it and perhaps he thinks its some sort of pelvic bone disease. As far as gouging is concerned I should imagine Ablett is very poor standard in comparison to Gareth Hock.
McDermott's comments were very neutral and balanced in the context of the sport, his opinion on Krap Wane was a surprise but probably quite valid over the last 4 weeks, Wane needs to wind his neck in, but that might be difficult because I don't think he's got one.'"
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Scraping the barrel a bit with a reference to a player who hasn't played for us for 4 years. That said I bet you screamed blue murder when it happened but can't find it in you to condemn Ablett.'"
Its like 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish with Wigan they always provide controversy. Gareth Hock was a double eye gouge, I don't know why you.ve put a time scale on it, stuff like that doesn't go away to be forgotten. I assume the Ben Flower incident disappears in year 2020 in the Wigoon mindset. |
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"I'm not deflecting, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it. If anyone is deflecting it's McDermott since his player gouged someone and he points the finger at Wigan. Like I said, some people need to sort their own houses out or their holier than thou posturing looks pretty phony.'"
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