Well yeah. Hospitals can prioritise and move people around. The high intensity, high dependency wards will have higher ratios than the non-covid wards where people are just recovering but not requiring acute care.

You seem adamant that nothing can be done, the world is ending and everything is collapsing? Woe is us. Lets have another lockdown so the economy and mental health collapses and then at least everyone suffers that way.

Don't know what they're moaning about then

Well he wasn't saying that was he?
He never said nothing can be done
He never said anything was collapsing
He never said anything about another lockdown
He never said anything about mental health.

Your dramatising and exaggerating a point he's made to discredit him

Hes telling you that your over simplyfying what the NHS and its staff can do
Bringing political arguments about consultants etc and their pay and what should have happened 2/5/10 years ago to the NHS is just distracting form the point.

If players, people were vaccinated then the problem would be smaller
Until a higher % are then the problems will continue, albeit they are smaller than 12 months or so ago

The bot in bold tells me a lot about your attitude. 120,000 more people died in the year 2020 than was the average for the years 2010-2019. Yes they were elderly and yes they were going to die, but until someone comes up with another reason, covid caused these deaths prematurely and your shoulder shrug attitude isn't reasonable.
I agree that the media will keep running with it, but medical a scientific experts are own to huge peer scrutiny as well as the htpocratic oath, so its doubtful a cabal of civil servants are in cahoots here.
4% of the NHS are off sick at a time when 1% is too many.....
I agree with your sentiment about fear, but your mum's friends are right....if they are old and want to get older, they need to be careful where they go.
Stay safe blighty pals....this bugger is getting weaker and by this time next year it'll be masks and mingle

Isn't reasonable to you. I have a feeling the worldwide response to covid will be heavily criticised in the future. Here we've destroyed the education of a generation for example, and plunged a million people into what is likely to be permanent poverty. Next year with every consumer industry deliberately profiteering to replace covid loses and the ridiculous fuel/gas/electricity prices, we're likely to see a huge proportion of the country in genuine poverty. What impact will that have long term? The kids taking GCSEs last had a normal school year in year 8 and they're having lateral flow tests and wearing masks in school, over a disease highly unlikely to kill them. It's madness.The vulnerable only should have been restricted, and I'm in that category.



I'm not saying there's a Whatsapp group where they conspire to release terrifying predictions. But if you notice which scientists are getting repeat bookings with the big media groups, it's the ones who make the most outlandish and scary predictions. And they will continue to do so, because they aren't stupid and know what sells. A scientists came out and said we should go back to pre-omicron level restrictions as they are pointless, but his opinion was swamped by wall to wall coverage of Drakeford calling Johnson a murderer again and endless stories about what restrictions we could have and how many NHS staff will be off sick by the end of the month. That guy won't be getting any repeat bookings for interviews.



What % are on annual leave? (It's higher than the % off sick according to the debate caused by the Daily Mail suggesting leave for NHS staff should be cancelled). Surely they could take their leave outside of a wave and get paid extra for that?



They aren't right though, there's a balance surely? I understand those who are particularly vulnerable being very careful, but an otherwise healthy person living as a hermit for three years and missing out on all the things that make life worth living is not a good thing. Take precautions, be more careful than normal, fine. But staying at home for three years and not seeing friends or family or doing anything they used to enjoy?

A novel virus that has killed millions worldwide is “overhyped”?


No wonder everyone hates you on red Vee

And you are really popular?

You are on about your 9th troll account and like all the previous ones, it's just terrible and really boring.

Whether it's overhyped depends on your viewpoint. 5.5m people have died 'from' covid in three years. That's about 1/10 of the annual worldwide deaths per year. I'm not saying anything incredible, but because it's tree-hugging leftie like most people on here it's a scandal. We need to get on with life and stop obsessing over covid.

Down here in little old NZ we have 10% of the population, so by straight reckoning, 15000 deaths....we have 51. Collectively if we were to push the retirement age here out 1 year for everyone currently 25 and under, it would cover the costs incurred so far....collectively the kiwis are a pretty tight group. We've handled this well.....but from the moment blowjoboris said take it on the chin, you lot were in trouble..
As for it being overblown or people obsessing, what do you say to those people who lost someone in the 30,000 extra deaths in 2021....take it on the chin?
It is no shock that the countries hit hardest by this pandemic are the ones who at the Start were run by right wing populist governments voted in on a wave of anti foreigner jingoistic bull. Now you reap what you sow. The lost generation as you have refered to them will have to find a way, like their grandparents did in 1945....

Do you work in the NHS, or are you a qualified health/medical professional. If so you wonder why the NHS is foooooked with these ‘opinions’

Correct
And don't forget the 120,000 excess deaths in 2020

You think this is good, you should see him on twitter this morning, warming up nhs staff saying they shouldn't be allowed any annual leave.

Thats going down well.

Oh dear. No annual leave for nhs staff and just getting someone to cover from another ward…

Im sure a tired gynaecologist who had to cancel his birthday and hasn’t had a day off in months will be absolutely fine to just cover on a covid ward. I can’t see any mistakes being made there leading to more litigation from lawyers etc.

In fairness some of the points made have merit even if it doesn’t seem relevant to players and vaccinations but those two gems are laughable

Exactly

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Just a typical response to anything I put. If you actually bothered to read what I put you'd realise it's not that controversial.

As of last week there were more frontline NHS staff on annual leave than sick with covid. The suggestion that they don't take annual leave during a particularly bad covid wave isn't an outlandish thing to suggest. You might not agree with it, that's fine. But it's not wildly crazy to suggest.

Just putting a childish slant on things adds nothing does it. A lot of staff will be able to work multiple wards. This happens as part of normal operations anyway, staff will move between wards, hospitals and even NHS Trusts if required. I'm not suggesting the cleaner does a shift inserting ventilation tubes, but you know this but you are just so close minded and unable to think.

The NHS has been understaffed for years. It was 40k nurses short before COVID. The ‘just get other nurses from others wards’ quip was way out too, it simply doesn’t work like that. Wards are specialities, getting a nurse from ophthalmics and bobbing them in ICU will work amazing won’t it. Like getting a plasterer to do your central heating .......... it’s ok though as they’re both tradesman.

Fair play to this Doctor getting his point across to Sajid Javid. https://youtu.be/hOlEYcd1nyI

Fair play to this Doctor getting his point across to Sajid Javid. https://youtu.be/hOlEYcd1nyI

Being facetious and adding stupid examples again. What does that add? Nurses clearly can move between wards. I know a woman who works in A&E at Warrington General mainly but who worked on the Covid wards when hospitalisations were bad last year. She's working in Runcorn at the moment in Minor Injuries. There were no covid wards in 2019, where do you think the specialist nurses who work in them now came from?

The NHS is poorly run and needs an overhaul. Labour are planning to use private providers if they get in power, I suggest not having annual leave and paying NHS significant bonuses during very temporary waves of the pandemic and moving nurses between wards to cope (Which happens) and I'm an idiot? Like I've said, you don't have to agree with me, but what I'm suggesting isn't moronic.

A childish slant? You’ve lost me with that one. Not sure where that’s come from but I did laugh at the irony of you then going onto justify it being saying ‘you weren’t suggesting the cleaner’. I can only see one childish slant here buddy.

Running with your suggesting, and ignoring the fact medical professionals spend years studying and specialising, do you not think the underpaid nhs staff will be more likely to make more mistakes if they are forced to work 10 hour shifts for months on end?

They are not robots. It wasn’t too long ago people were clapping them and calling them heroes. Now they shouldn’t be allowed a day off apparently.

Whilst ignoring that these people wo can just "Be moved" around may already have been moved around and there isn't any more moving around to be done without impacting significantly on patient care.

Penny doesn’t drop with this lads does it.

Why is everything so binary with you? When 5% of the NHS staff are off work on annual leave, it's not a ridiculous suggestion to cancel leave to ensure enough staff are available. I even suggested paying them a bonus for that. I'm not suggesting you agree with it, but there's nothing at all wrong with suggesting it. It's likely this wave will be done in three weeks. Are you suggesting the NHS staff cannot possibly work three weeks without a holiday?

“It’s good news that the number of daily new cases has slowed for now. ZOE COVID Study data shows that this slow down is being driven by cases falling in London and in younger age groups. However, it’s worrying to see cases increasing in the over 75 age group. This is the group we need to protect as they are the most likely to be hospitalised as a result of a COVID infection.

Three weeks???

Unfortunately people have been saying ‘it will be done in three weeks’ since March 2020. Must be those pesky scientists prolonging it for more media work….

You’ve avoided my question twice now. Do you not see your grand idea leading to more clinical mistake being made by tired nhs staff working outside their own areas of expertise?

I appreciate you are not trying to get me to agree but you just keep repeating it despite being told by practically everyone else that it’s a terrible idea. You really can’t accept the criticism of your idea?

NhS staff have apparently been resigning in record numbers of late, and recent surveys suggest many more are on the brink of quitting. Cancelling their annual leave would push many more to conclude they have no future.

The question was is it really so far fetched to call people back in from their leave, and I would say that the answer is yes. It would be the ultimate insult to a jaded and disenfranchised workforce.