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| Quote ="GUBRATS"No they didn't , Leigh's spending is all out in the open , not hidden behind a £ 150 K salary cap in NL2 , and then a £ 250K one the year later when they were promoted
As regards their support base , their stadium , their players legality to work in Britain , where their funding actually came from ?'" Er yeah, they did. They spent more than the other teams, bought a bunch of players that were too good for the competition they were in and won promotion on the back of that. The club was a total shambles but as far as on-field goes they did the same thing as Leigh. They had a wealthy owner who bankrolled them to success. I don't begrudge Leigh or anyone else for doing that BTW, that's the way modern sport works but the fact is that if the owner pulled out they would go the same way as Celtic Crusaders, as would every club in the bottom half of Super League. Leigh were having bucket collections before Beaumont stepped in. Trying to claim that the success any more noble or 'deserved' than anyone else is a childish fallacy. To be fair at least Beaumont has put his money in and achieved what he set out to do, which is more than can be said for the likes of Koukash.
Quote As far as your argument of Leigh's reserve grade this year , are you aware we don't have anybody to actuall play'" Halifax, Keighley, Wigan, St Helens, Warrington and Hull FC all ran reserves this year. Dewsbury started the season but withdrew.
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| Ah I see our phony frenchman is still coming up with all kinds of rubbish.
I have him on ignore so only see when people quote him.
When people start saying words like deserve to be in the top flight about a sporting team you know they have lost any notion of having sound reasoning.
The league table does not lie, those who deserve to be where they are , are where they are.
I liked having Bradford in SL, but they went bust twice under the closed shop that was licencing. If you can't make it when there is the protection of a Cartel, then it's sad but that's life. Survival of the fittest!
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| Quote ="headhunter"Or a loudmouth millionaire owner who is able to get the rules changed to allow him to spend way more money than everyone else in the division.'"
They didn't just let Leigh spend more money than anyone else though did they?
The playing field just wasn't level & now it is. If a club (or should I say, rich individual) wants to plough a shed load of cash into trying to get into S.L. then fair play to them.
If for instance, Huddersfield were to be in the Championship next season & their Chairman bankrolled the club up to the cap, would you have a problem with that?
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| Quote ="headhunter"Er yeah, they did. They spent more than the other teams, bought a bunch of players that were too good for the competition they were in and won promotion on the back of that. The club was a total shambles but as far as on-field goes they did the same thing as Leigh. They had a wealthy owner who bankrolled them to success. I don't begrudge Leigh or anyone else for doing that BTW, that's the way modern sport works but the fact is that if the owner pulled out they would go the same way as Celtic Crusaders, as would every club in the bottom half of Super League. Leigh were having bucket collections before Beaumont stepped in. Trying to claim that the success any more noble or 'deserved' than anyone else is a childish fallacy. To be fair at least Beaumont has put his money in and achieved what he set out to do, which is more than can be said for the likes of Koukash.
Halifax, Keighley, Wigan, St Helens, Warrington and Hull FC all ran reserves this year. Dewsbury started the season but withdrew.'"
You brought up the comparison , I or nobody else has suggested Leigh promotion is more ' Noble ' than any other
Just for the record Leighton Samuel wasn't the primary financier of the CC s , that was RFL development money via Wales RL through their offices located conveniently at Mr Samuels Dekor company
They ran full time on 150K ?
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"They didn't just let Leigh spend more money than anyone else though did they?
The playing field just wasn't level & now it is. If a club (or should I say, rich individual) wants to plough a shed load of cash into trying to get into S.L. then fair play to them.
If for instance, Huddersfield were to be in the Championship next season & their Chairman bankrolled the club up to the cap, would you have a problem with that?'" I don't have any problem with what Leigh did at all, the cap should be the same across all divisions and it will be from next season so there isn't a problem. I was just replying to the guy who was talking about on-field success being a sign of good things happening off the field, which isn't true. Leigh were on their way to being relegated from the Championship before Beaumont got involved.
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| Quote ="headhunter"I don't have any problem with what Leigh did at all, the cap should be the same across all divisions and it will be from next season so there isn't a problem. I was just replying to the guy who was talking about on-field success being a sign of good things happening off the field, which isn't true. Leigh were on their way to being relegated from the Championship before Beaumont got involved.'"
Yes we were , so what actually changed ?
What happened that gave Dereck Beaumont the desire and will to put large amounts of his hard earned into the club ?
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Yes we were , so what actually changed ?
What happened that gave Dereck Beaumont the desire and will to put large amounts of his hard earned into the club ?'" Probably the same thing that led to Sheffield Eagles trying to run a full-time squad when they couldn't afford it and now looking like they're about to go bust.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Probably the same thing that led to Sheffield Eagles trying to run a full-time squad when they couldn't afford it and now looking like they're about to go bust.'"
Nope , the structure changed , Dereck would not have been willing to put the investment in unless the outcome was decided but what happens on the pitch
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Nope , the structure changed , Dereck would not have been willing to put the investment in unless the outcome was decided but what happens on the pitch'" You really are slow, what do you think my last post was about?
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| Quote ="headhunter"You really are slow, what do you think my last post was about?'"
You mean like Toronto then ?
Toulouse perhaps ?
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"You mean like Toronto then ?
Toulouse perhaps ?'" Neither Toronto or Toulouse are funded at the whim of one wealthy backer, they're running full time squads because they can afford to do it and they would probably be in Super League already if the structure hadn't changed.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Neither Toronto or Toulouse are funded at the whim of one wealthy backer, they're running full time squads because they can afford to do it and they would probably be in Super League already if the structure hadn't changed.'"
So how are Toronto funding next season ?
Similarily Toulouse , how are they funded ?
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"So how are Toronto funding next season ?
Similarily Toulouse , how are they funded ?'" Toronto are funded by "a consortium of 10 businessmen" apparently. I don't know how Toulouse are funded and I don't care. The point is that neither of them were struggling clubs that only exist in the way they do because they happened to be bought by a millionaire owner who they are totally dependent on. Not singling out Leigh for this BTW, as I said, there are probably 6-7 current SL teams that you could say the same for, that's the nature of the sport in the UK but the whole thing is massively exacerbated by the current structure. Great for Leigh and the others as long as their owners are involved, not so great for Sheffield or Bradford who don't happen to have millionaire owners, tried to artificially compete and spend above their means and now are in turmoil.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Toronto are funded by "a consortium of 10 businessmen" apparently. I don't know how Toulouse are funded and I don't care. The point is that neither of them were struggling clubs that only exist in the way they do because they happened to be bought by a millionaire owner who they are totally dependent on. Not singling out Leigh for this BTW, as I said, there are probably 6-7 current SL teams that you could say the same for, that's the nature of the sport in the UK but the whole thing is massively exacerbated by the current structure. Great for Leigh and the others as long as their owners are involved, not so great for Sheffield or Bradford who don't happen to have millionaire owners, tried to artificially compete and spend above their means and now are in turmoil.'"
So a ' consortium ' , I was once part of one of those , but eventually you end up with 1 person who's ambitions/willingness to invest will supersede the rest
Then it will be one single benefactor
Toulouse do not have the income streams currently to finance a 1.8 million cap spend in the Championship , so somebody is going to be picking up the tab
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| Quote ="headhunter"Leigh's average was 4,736 last time they were in Super League. Interesting to see if they can beat it this time around.'"
Do you want a bet ill go £100 for every spectator above that and you can have £200 for every spectator under that average?
..................... we've just beaten a 1/4 of the league teams we are joining its the hardest sporting route to promotion in any sport in the world, we didnt have to tick boxes or grease palms we had to beat 3 of the teams in the league above. We did it and on your other rants heres a list of players under 30 from Saturday
McNally
Higson
Worthington
Brown
Drinkwater
Weston
Patterson
Hopkins
Dixon
Hood
.............................................................. =#FF0000[size=85edited by Poptart. Don't try to get round the swear filter. This is way over the top as a reply. Your point was well worth saying without making it personal. Consider this a gentle warning. You'll be taking a rest if you continue[/size
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| Quote ="headhunter"Or a loudmouth millionaire owner who is able to get the rules changed to allow him to spend way more money than everyone else in the division.'"
Or an owner who got the rules changed to allow him to spend the same as the other 4 clubs can who we have to compete with to get promotion.
=#FF0000Quit the insults or take a break - Karen
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Wed just won 2 Northern Rail cups in 3 years eye we were on our way to beging relegated...
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| Quote ="Tipster Ste"Toronto are funded by one owner you
Your beginning to sound like someone who used to turn up on our forums and FB pages... Your not are you...'"
Ignoring all the abuse your throwing at headhunter for a moment, Toronto are funded by a consortium of 10 businessmen (Canadian & Australian), led by Eric Perez who is the CEO. Next time, before you start frothing at the mouth, try Google.
There's a chance they'll have bigger gates in 2017 than Leigh did this year, and a few SL clubs too.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Leigh were on their way to being relegated from the Championship before Beaumont got involved.'"
Leigh Centurions finished [i9th[/i from [i11[/i teams in the Co Operative Championship, the year was 2009 & [iToulouse Olympique [/i finished [i10th[/i & [iwould have been relegated[/i but for their [iExemption from relegation[/i under the [iRFL's Expansionist Empire[/i.
Toulouse Olympique could not afford to continue in the Championship & neither could Gateshead who despite a good showing were wound up (another failed expansion area).
I will welcome Toulouse Olympique back with open arms & to a degree Toronto [iCenturions[/i ,though the way they approached their recruitment will always taint them for me.
So Leigh [iCOULD[/i have been relegated but [iSHOULDN'T[/i have been relegated, in the same way that Catalan Dragons [iShould Not[/i have had 6 years direct entry, gratis, exempt at the expense of established RL Clubs & without having to work through the grades to achieve success. Note that I am pleased it worked out for Catalan & aim to visit in 2017 but it could also have worked out for Featherstone Rovers who were at the time the dominant Championship RL Club.
Give your expansionist head a little wobble for a mo & consider the worth of long standing, some founding member RL Clubs such as Leigh, Fev, Fax, Bradford & Whitehaven.
Unless you want a Yorkshire v France league with a token Cheshire, Merseyside & Canadian Club thrown in.
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"Leigh Centurions finished [i9th[/i from [i11[/i teams in the Co Operative Championship, the year was 2009 & [iToulouse Olympique [/i finished [i10th[/i & [iwould have been relegated[/i but for their [iExemption from relegation[/i under the [iRFL's Expansionist Empire[/i.
Toulouse Olympique could not afford to continue in the Championship & neither could Gateshead who despite a good showing were wound up (another failed expansion area).
I will welcome Toulouse Olympique back with open arms & to a degree Toronto [iCenturions[/i ,though the way they approached their recruitment will always taint them for me.
So Leigh [iCOULD[/i have been relegated but [iSHOULDN'T[/i have been relegated, in the same way that Catalan Dragons [iShould Not[/i have had 6 years direct entry, gratis, exempt at the expense of established RL Clubs & without having to work through the grades to achieve success. Note that I am pleased it worked out for Catalan & aim to visit in 2017 but it could also have worked out for Featherstone Rovers who were at the time the dominant Championship RL Club.
Give your expansionist head a little wobble for a mo & consider the worth of long standing, some founding member RL Clubs such as Leigh, Fev, Fax, Bradford & Whitehaven.
Unless you want a Yorkshire v France league with a token Cheshire, Merseyside & Canadian Club thrown in.'"
Why do you always randomly bold stuff for no reason? It's like reading posts written by a 12 year old.
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| Quote ="headhunter"The bigger question is why he wrote out a lengthy post ranting and raving about some 'expansionist empire' (
) when all I said is Leigh nearly got relegated, which is true.'"
Yeah, fair play to them getting promoted and everything but I think a few of them are completely deluded if they think they offer anything different to Super League. At the end of the day, they've had one season in the top flight in the last 20 years for a reason. They're a small team with a small fan base based in a small town in Wigan. Hardly something that's gonna massively increase the profile of the sport. Super League would be much better off with either a well run expansion team or a Bradford side that isn't completely dysfunctional but hey ho. I say this as a Wakefield fan too and acknowledge that we don't really offer that much either (although fortunately for us someone appears to have cast some kind of spell that means we can never be relegated).
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| Quote ="jakeyg95"(although fortunately for us someone appears to have cast some kind of spell that means we can never be relegated).'"
Which you've now broken
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