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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"By constantly being left out by the very man who wanted him to choose England over Scotland ..and never picking him !'"
McNamara could only ever offer Brough the possibility of playing for England, never the guarantee. He could only ever off the chance. This is where Brough has got it so very very wrong. He seems to think that he is owed a place by McNamara for making himself available for consideration for England. He isn’t. The only thing he is owed is that consideration. Either Brough is in the England pool of players and McNamara will consider him for selection, or he is in Scotlands and McNamara doesn’t consider him. If Brough needs a guarantee that he will play, he wont get one. If that means he becomes a Scotland player again, he definitely wont be considered for England.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"By constantly being left out by the very man who wanted him to choose England over Scotland ..and never picking him !'"
Constantly been left out? He was in the ETS, got picked for an Exiles game and didn't get picked in the autumn internationals as he was out of form and carrying an injury.
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| ATEOTD only Mcnamara/Brough and one or two others will ever knwo whats gone on between them.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"McNamara could only ever offer Brough the possibility of playing for England, never the guarantee. He could only ever off the chance. This is where Brough has got it so very very wrong. He seems to think that he is owed a place by McNamara for making himself available for consideration for England. He isn’t. The only thing he is owed is that consideration. Either Brough is in the England pool of players and McNamara will consider him for selection, or he is in Scotlands and McNamara doesn’t consider him. If Brough needs a guarantee that he will play, he wont get one. If that means he becomes a Scotland player again, he definitely wont be considered for England.'"
The problem with that is that certain players do seem to be guaranteed their position, if fit. In a [usmall[/u number of cases, I understand why and it is probably justified.
Right now I'd have Brough ahead of Chase, Myler and McGuire (even assuming he wasn't injured). Sinfield brings something that nobody else does (though its value at international remains open to question), so I'll leave him out of the equation.
Anyway, that's just me - I could easily be wrong. Can anybody say with a straight face that he should be behind [iall[/i of them? McNamara must surely have an issue with him as a personality rather than a player - Smith seems to indicate that too.
Brough's reaction could either be seen as confirming McNamara's view of him or a legitimate reaction to having poorer players picked ahead of him because the coach thinks they're better people. Maybe he's a bad egg, 'maybe' SM is wedded to picking certain players no matter what. Maybe both.
The Saints and Leeds Allstars TS took to the last WC couldn't get beyond their club rivalry, according to Jamie Peacock, and that rather embarrassing admission of bad attitudes didn't seem to cost to many of them in the immediate aftermath.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"The problem with that is that certain players do seem to be guaranteed their position, if fit. In a [usmall[/u number of cases, I understand why and it is probably justified.
Right now I'd have Brough ahead of Chase, Myler and McGuire (even assuming he wasn't injured). Sinfield brings something that nobody else does (though its value at international remains open to question), so I'll leave him out of the equation.
Anyway, that's just me - I could easily be wrong. Can anybody say with a straight face that he should be behind [iall[/i of them? McNamara must surely have an issue with him as a personality rather than a player - Smith seems to indicate that too.
Brough's reaction could either be seen as confirming McNamara's view of him or a legitimate reaction to having poorer players picked ahead of him because the coach thinks they're better people. Maybe he's a bad egg, 'maybe' SM is wedded to picking certain players no matter what. Maybe both.
The Saints and Leeds Allstars TS took to the last WC couldn't get beyond their club rivalry, according to Jamie Peacock, and that rather embarrassing admission of bad attitudes didn't seem to cost to many of them in the immediate aftermath.'"
Absolutely spot on. Even if Brough isn't the easiest of players to handle, SO WHAT! Don't become an international coach. Your not going to get 17 Sinfields who could probably train themselves.The tournament is very short, you should only choose the best players, not best personalities or easiest players to train etc. It's not just Brough, what about Atkins, because something has gone on between him and Mcnamara, we are having to watch a full back or second rower in the centres against the exiles.
Mcnamara is under huge pressure for the exiles game, lose, and the media and some fans will be wanting blood.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"The problem with that is that certain players do seem to be guaranteed their position, if fit. In a [usmall[/u number of cases, I understand why and it is probably justified.
Right now I'd have Brough ahead of Chase, Myler and McGuire (even assuming he wasn't injured). Sinfield brings something that nobody else does (though its value at international remains open to question), so I'll leave him out of the equation.
Anyway, that's just me - I could easily be wrong. Can anybody say with a straight face that he should be behind [iall[/i of them? McNamara must surely have an issue with him as a personality rather than a player - Smith seems to indicate that too.
Brough's reaction could either be seen as confirming McNamara's view of him or a legitimate reaction to having poorer players picked ahead of him because the coach thinks they're better people. Maybe he's a bad egg, 'maybe' SM is wedded to picking certain players no matter what. Maybe both.
The Saints and Leeds Allstars TS took to the last WC couldn't get beyond their club rivalry, according to Jamie Peacock, and that rather embarrassing admission of bad attitudes didn't seem to cost to many of them in the immediate aftermath.'"
Good point, well made, Mild Rover.
It's part of the modern sporting psyche not to be bothered about your national team, as young kids everyone wants to play for England but, somewhere along the line, club becomes more important than nation.
Chase shouldn't be anywhere near an England jersey and Brough should be fighting for it with his last breath, not throwing his teddy out of the pram and as you say, for the last batch of players not to be able to see past their club colours is a disgrace.
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| Hopefully McCormack gets Peter Wallace in the halves also, since he is eligible.
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| If Brough is still the best choice when the WC comes around he should be in. It's still a way off yet, his form may dip. This one word answer he gave post match has been blown out of all proportion.
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| Quote ="CommanderShepard"Hopefully McCormack gets Peter Wallace in the halves also, since he is eligible.'"
he was on radio tonight saying he has spoken to him and he wants to play
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"he was on radio tonight saying he has spoken to him and he wants to play'"
Has Brough crawled out from Travis Burns pocket yet?
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| International player of the year either danny sonny bill or inglis.
Yep danny definitely got the wrong attitude! !!!!
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| No Sinfield in that list?
Does this mean Danny Brough is guaranteed an England shirt all next year on the back of his individual success this year?
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| and not good enough for McNamara's England?
behind a good pack of forwards, he could have had a field day.
but we will never know now.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"No Sinfield in that list?
Does this mean Danny Brough is guaranteed an England shirt all next year on the back of his individual success this year?'"
Which part of he's playing for Scotland are you missing?
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"Which part of he's playing for Scotland are you missing?'"
The part where he switched to England...
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| If he would switch back then it gives us a player to take over the scrum half mantle. Sinfield was actually very good. A few years back with more pace in his legs that show and go and he would have been over the line himself in the first half.
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| If anyone thinks Brough would have added to what was probably the best game I've seen a halfback pairing play for England you're mad
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| Quote ="christopher"If anyone thinks Brough would have added to what was probably the best game I've seen a halfback pairing play for England you're mad'"
Englands Kicking was rubbish all game. Sinfield, Burrow, Roby and Widdop were poor kicking on the last.
Brough would have done far better than any of the above,
Anyone who thinks Brough would not have improved Englands kicking game is mad
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"The part where he switched to England...'"
And that sums up everything wrong with the international game...
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Englands Kicking was rubbish all game. Sinfield, Burrow, Roby and Widdop were poor kicking on the last.
Brough would have done far better than any of the above,
Anyone who thinks Brough would not have improved Englands kicking game is mad'"
England kicking game wasn't rubbish at all you are just proving you know very little about the game of RL with all your recent posts.
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| Quote ="christopher"England kicking game wasn't rubbish at all you are just proving you know very little about the game of RL with all your recent posts.'"
Disagree. Most downfield kicks were straight down the full backs throat or rubbish along the floor.
Close to the line, yeah I thought the kicking was good.
Sinfield struggled to get England territory with his kicking.
I don't think he played bad at all. I just think his kicking was poor and thought that before his last second brain fart.
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"And that sums up everything wrong with the international game...
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But that's not exactly an argument against not picking Brough, is it?
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| Quote ="christopher"England kicking game wasn't rubbish at all you are just proving you know very little about the game of RL with all your recent posts.'"
Quote Bull mania wrote
Need to improve our kicking game drastically.'"
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Poor kick though'"
E Quote AST HULL FAN Thought Sinfield was going to kick us into the final?? might do it at club level but hope he never plays for england again after this WC.'"
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Sinfield hasn't place kicked well today'"
Not just me.
You are so busy up Sinfields booty you ignore the fact that Englnd.s kicking game was poor and think this is only down to Sinfield. You are looking for ghosts in the room that are not there.
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| If danny brough had been selected for england it would have cured world hunger.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"If danny brough had been selected for england it would have cured world hunger.'"
If Gareth Widdop had been picked for the game against Australia it could have cured English Rl's financial problems.
I think my suggesstion is far more realistic than yours .
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