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| Quote ="erich hartmann"you may call it beautiful but i like to think of sydney as the sewer of the south pacific... overflowing with scum and low life.'"
right now im looking up at the sun
when i was in london in summer for the first 4 days there i couldnt say that
if the weather isnt bad enough over there, there are loads of union trolls (such as yourself) polluting out the place
thankfully over here union trolls, like actual fans, are a rarity
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| Quote ="erich hartmann"be nice dally...'"
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| Quote ="erich hartmann"you may call it beautiful but i like to think of sydney as the sewer of the south pacific... overflowing with scum and low life.'" like sydney city roosters
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| Quote ="fredie"like sydney city roosters
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be nice mate, they just got belted on the weekend
FMD it was brilliant. i almost dislike them as much as the waratahs or swans
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| If they have a pro 8 team league what are the players going to do for the other 38 weeks of the year?? The Championship 1 is only just viable with 10 teams and the clubs at least have 4 Northern Rail Cup games and the Challenge Cup sa well. How are the American clubs gonna maintain any level of public interest when the teams will not be playing for 3/4 the year?
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| Quote ="Vic King"loving hell I can see it now. These septic tanks and all their bull phrases. Imagine the US version of Stevo!?
I can see the following american terms being used in favour of the traditional ones:
Violation of the offence Territory - Offside
Punt Return - Drop Out
Re-engerziation Period (note, with a "zeee"icon_wink.gif - Half Time
Deeefensive Lineman - Full Back
Quarterback - Scrum Half
Illegal Motion - Forward Pass
Illegal Procedure - Knock On
Wide Reciever - Ian Roberts'"
You do know who the new Widnes coach is, don't you?
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| Quote ="spooneryork"icon_sad.gif 8 Teams can't make a viable competition though. You would need 10 minimum.'"
The Aussie soccer comp is an 8 team league.
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| Quote ="spooneryork"icon_smile.gif If they have a pro 8 team league what are the players going to do for the other 38 weeks of the year?? The Championship 1 is only just viable with 10 teams and the clubs at least have 4 Northern Rail Cup games and the Challenge Cup sa well. How are the American clubs gonna maintain any level of public interest when the teams will not be playing for 3/4 the year?'"
The NFL only has 16 regular season games. Plus in the USA it's not compulsory to have play everyone twice as your fixture schedule, so there could be any number of teams. But seems a bit ridiculous complaining if an 8 team pro RL comp comes off the ground in the USA because it's 8 more than now
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| Quote ="Lockyer4President!"The Aussie soccer comp is an 8 team league.'"
Following the collapse of a few Major League Lacrosse teams, they will have only six teams this year, the same number it had until a few years ago. And that is a sport which has live weekly coverage on ESPN so the sort of thing rugby league would need to have ambitions of aiming to emulate.
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| It might help if they target cities that don't have major sports franchises but do have popular college football teams. If they play during the off season and try to recruit from college football teams then that would certainly peak local interest.
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| Quote ="Lockyer4President!"The Aussie soccer comp is an 8 team league.'"
aussie cricket league is 6 isnt it?
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| yes 6 teams
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"You do know who the new Widnes coach is, don't you?
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| For now they can target gridiron players that don't make it, yes. But they will never be a force in the RL world if they continue to do this as the players will not have developed many of the skills needed to play RL and will most likely not have enough time to master them to as extent that they will become expert. They need to get people playing in schools to develop this earlier. That will obviously come with time, but the way people are talking it appears that they think they will be able to build a competitive team out of gridiron converts which in most likeliness will not be the case. They may be good athletes, but that doesn't mean they'll be good RL players.
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| True but the best RL players are great athletes. You may get a couple of good ones and it's the obvious place to start.
If a pro league happened would the union teams go pro too eventually to compete? Because any decent Union player's going to convert to league if they can make a bob or two
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| Quote ="Dico"True but the best RL players are great athletes as well. You may get a couple of good ones and it's the obvious place to start.'"
Added a bit in bold, which is the key point. Mix of physiologoical, psychological, technical and tactical aspects of an individual that contribute to being an expert athlete. They aren't the best RL players because they're physiologocally superior. They're the best because they are physiologically superior AS WELL AS the rest.
Quote ="Dico"If a pro league happened would the union teams go pro too eventually to compete? Because any decent Union player's going to convert to league if they can make a bob or two'"
I wouldn't be suprised. I'm pretty suprised it hasn't happened already to be honest.
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| Any idea on the state of union over there? I haven't the foggiest what crowds/teams and whatnot. I heard it had a bit of a bad rep as college boys who refused to grow up and caused trouble. That's about it though.
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| Quote ="spooky"It might help if they target cities that don't have major sports franchises but do have popular college football teams. If they play during the off season and try to recruit from college football teams then that would certainly peak local interest.'"
That's almost certainly when they would play. Trying to run in the fall going head to head with the NFL and NCAA would be suicidal. The time of year they could generate interest is in the spring and summer, from March to August. If they're serious about getting TV interest they'd be targetting big cities since those are the major media markets.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"For now they can target gridiron players that don't make it, yes. But they will never be a force in the RL world if they continue to do this as the players will not have developed many of the skills needed to play RL and will most likely not have enough time to master them to as extent that they will become expert. They need to get people playing in schools to develop this earlier. That will obviously come with time, but the way people are talking it appears that they think they will be able to build a competitive team out of gridiron converts which in most likeliness will not be the case. They may be good athletes, but that doesn't mean they'll be good RL players.'"
It depends a lot on which players they recruit, and what positions they played in American football. All have good hand-eye coordination since they all grew up throwing and catching football. Defensive players can already tackle, they just need to learn the RL style of tackling. On the defensive side of the ball there are clear parallels between some positions, e.g. cornerback to wing, safety to fullback, etc. It's a case of working out what RL positions are the closest to the ones they've played before to shorten their learning curve.
Even some of the bigger ones might be surprising: last fall I was watching the Nebraska-Colorado game on TV, when Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh -- a 300-pounder -- returned an interception 30 yards for a touchdown. I'd never have believed someone that big was capable of that if I hadn't seen it.
If they're starting as semi-pro, they should forget players from the "Big Six" conferences who are all accustomed to big crowds, big budgets and a spectacular atmosphere on game days and eyeing the NFL draft. They need to target those from lower-tier conference schools who are used to a more modest setup and are more of a longshot to get picked in the draft.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"For now they can target gridiron players that don't make it, yes. But they will never be a force in the RL world if they continue to do this as the players will not have developed many of the skills needed to play RL and will most likely not have enough time to master them to as extent that they will become expert. They need to get people playing in schools to develop this earlier. That will obviously come with time, but the way people are talking it appears that they think they will be able to build a competitive team out of gridiron converts which in most likeliness will not be the case. They may be good athletes, but that doesn't mean they'll be good RL players.'"
The USA has enough prime athletes to destroy the existing RL nations, England especially within a couple of years of professionalism.
Lets not forget that the USA national side was beating Australia at half time in their recent encounter, so it's not like they would have to progress that much to beat England.
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| Quote ="GanEden"USA 42 - GB 0'"
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| Quote ="Big Picture"The college game may be faster, but televised NCAA games have just as many ad breaks as NFL ones.'"
Sure, to make it to TV the sport needs ad breaks, we'll follow Association Football's approach to the problem.
I know people who were big Football" fans who went to an NFL match and hated it. Possibly it's more of a spectator and less of a tV sport, which again has parallels with Union and League in the UK.
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| i have been told by some''septic tanks''yanks. that they love watching the AFL on tv
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