For all those who don’t understand what Locky brings to the team that is a perfect example.

Totally lacking in a leader tonight.

Poor composure, no direction no leadership.

I don’t buy that. We had enough leaders out there and experience to see that game off. Not sure what our game plan was tonight but whatever it was needs ripping up and binning

No doubt Lockers is a terrific leader but ultimately Lam should be driving forward leadership amongst the players. I blame the coach, not the players. This wasn’t an issue under Wane.

Who were our leaders tonight?

Leuluai, Hastings, Farrell, Powell should have been leading. It’s no good harping on about Lockers when he’s sat on the touch line half the bleeding time

Our 2 marquees players who should be leading us when missing tonight

I believe our main leaders are Locky, Clubb and Hardaker.

Powell and Hastings follow that but were poor in that department.

I’m not “harping” about Lockers I’m just making the point that those who are ignorant miss in that he is still a vital part of our team.

Apologies, I do understand where you coming from I think I’m still a little miffed about tonight’s performance

Crap excuse. More than enough ‘senior players’ out there who simply don’t have the gumption too often.

Yes it was. That's why we wheeled him out for the big games because without him we lost most of them

I thought Hastings had been substituted in the 2nd half - faded badly when we needed him to take a hold on the game.

There were no leaders in the spine of the team for me. 9,7,6,13 and 1 all anonymous.

Our attitude tonight was summed up when Salford kicked through and Hastings chucked a leg at the ball on the floor rather than throwing his body on it. Lacking total commitment.

I think that was French.

Sorry correct it absolutely was.

French didn’t look at all interested tonight.

Whilst Hastings was poor I’d love to see how many drives he took in compared to some of our forwards.

That's not a lack of commitment from French, it's a lack of instincts.

He's not a natural FB.

I still don’t understand why people talk about Powell as a leader? All he’s capable of is tackling. He’s improved with his occasional scoot but again, he was directly at fault for one of the opponent’s tries. We had an overlap, he didn’t know what to do, ran across the field and put in a shocker of a kick. Salford pick it up and go under the posts. Week in week out he gives penalties away and his passing accuracy is poor. The sooner we get a proper hooker the better.
And for all Harry Smith brings, he couldn’t tackle a good dinner. Bibby has done absolutely nothing since he arrived at the club.
Tonight really wound me up.

No it’s not, any player of any position should know they need to dive on that ball. Nothing to do with being a fullback.

It’s all to do with having the bottle to dive onto it.

As the OP said we always struggle to see who our leaders are when there is no SOL and usually lose tight games. Having to change the pack around won't have helped with the loss of Bibby, but we should still have had enough to win the game having been 12 points up.

I always get frustrated in games like this where we're missing Lockers. We've got Farrell, who's got 10 years of service, won everything and he still stands there looking mard with his hands on his hips. The frankly poor Leuluai (who was in Maguire's leadership group) is barely any better either.

Absolutely.

The ball is on the deck you throw yourself on it. That’s not a lack of instinct that is something you are coached from the age of 7.

For me is showed a huge lack of bottle and desire.

100%.

You know when you’re throwing yourself onto a ball the chances are your going to have another 2/3 jumping on you. It’s going to hurt. Fight or flight moment.

I was just looking when I read your post!

Hastings - 56 m from 10 carries
Burgess - 42 m from 6 carries
Havard - 121 m from 18 carries
Marshall - 162 m from 18 carries. And 8 tackle busts (the most). Even though he hardly seemed to have the ball!

Actually Havard was next best with 6 tackle busts. On a poor night for Wigan he was solid again, I thought.

Is that the same Jackson Hastings that wasn't interested