England can make the final if it beats New Zealand and Australia loses to Samoa, or if Australia beats Samoa by less than 14 (which is a good possibility).

So all is not lost.....yet!

Yes. Aussies won't want to play NZ in the final so the 'correct' referee appointments will be made to guarantee a healthy England win by more than 10

Chance of a lifetime blown today,highly doubtful plus the Aussies will know what they have to do should we beat the kiwis.

i just hope we put in a good display next week and express ourselves for full 80.we need more belief in ourselves we are a decent side when we do.I dont know if its down to the players or the coaching team but the mentality in the second half was all wrong,had we gone for the jugular the game was won.

I think even if we manage to get a win over the Kiwis points difference will end up costing us. Samoa have been excellent but both England and NZ have turned over too much cheap ball which has kept them in it. If Australia complete at a high rate, they'll create opportunities and I can see them winning by 20+. Can't see it being more than 6 points either way in England v NZ game.

England beat NZ by 6 points, meaning Aus have to beat Samoa by 22+ points......

......79th minute, Australia only leading by 20 and Inglis gets a little fingertip on the ball almost identical to Hall's effort........and the VR gives it right away

England win by 10 next week and we're guaranteed to make the final as we'll finish above New Zealand. Easier said than done mind.

If Australia lose to Samoa then England will qualify if they beat New Zealand by 1 point.

The poster below is a very sick individual.

Honestly will you ever shut up you pompous little parasite?

In reality I think we're done for. Sad really because the international game should have got a real shot in the arm today but the Aussies won't allow that by any means possible.

I think everything was put into today.

If England can win next week it will be a close one. And then Aussies will rack up a big score against Samoa.

Don't see point in international rugby league when we see events like today. Whether it was a try or not we still shouldn't have had aussie officials in such a big game.

A lot hangs on the match review committee verdict on Sean O'Loughlin's trip.

Has anyone ever been banned for a trip? I've seen plenty worse than that and it is a penalty at best.

Never a trip. Smith just fell over an outstretched leg.

If he's banned I'm through with international rugby league. There was a cracking trip by Tim Brasher years back (was it the 92 final? Can't quite remember). That's a trip, today's was not.

Liam Farrell is a chance of being banned.

It was quite common when a trip was an automatic red card, but that all changed in the mid-nineties (oddly enough, around the time SL started).

If Eng win by 9 is it Eng or NZ?

In that scenario it should be England I presume. Both have scored 44 points so an England win would mean we have a better points for total as well as obviously winning the head to head if decided on that.

This.

We are capableE of beating nz and samoa are capable of keeping Australia to within 12

It's not over yet!

I think all 3 on report incidents in the first half are penalty sufficient tbh. Farrell has the biggest chance of getting a game but there seemed very little intent and it was more down to an awkward tackling position than anything else. The game really is going soft if people are picking bans up for that in a test match.

Whats the point of making the final?

Another 80 minutes of wrestling, late hits on the kicker, constant late flops and interference at the PTB

Better to just let them play themselves and the rest of us continue playing real RL

We tried to copy the Aussies, which is the only way if the ref is a wrestling fan, and he penalised us.
I'd say we are up against it but should hold our heads up proudly and give it a real go.

England need to make some changes. Burgess for Charnley, possibly even Smith out and Tomkins to 7 with Hardaker at full back if Smith refuses to run the ball. Backrow were all poor - Whitehead and Cooper to come in.

If England beats NZ by one point, then Australia has to beat Samoa by 18 points to out qualify England for the final. Australia may not be able to do it, because Samoa is a strong team and highly motivated.

I imagine this will be the scenario.

Australia campaign to get their game moved back so it
starts after the England game finishes

They need need 8 more points to qualify. Sutton awards a penalty try in the last 5 seconds for an imaginary flop by Samoa on the 40 yard line. Sutton calls time off and forget to restart the clock.

He then awards a penalty to australia as the samoans are looking quite aggressively at the aussies during the conversion.

Far fetched?