As a Giants fan i am used to having to take a lot of crap. Over the years we have had a poor record in Sl and have still got the worst losing margin in a SL game. the merger and issues of relegation have not helped.

Despite that the club have tried to build themselves up and it is finally paying off.

despite that some coaches have tried to criticise our recent success and tactics. As a fan of many years i have noticed that this season we are doing well what we have been taught by other teams particualrly Saints and Leeds.

recently Both Noble and Matterson have had a go about our tackling and PTB. The RLE was full of Wigan fans complaining about our tactics.
After watching Boots n All tonight we finally have evidence to show that the previously mentioned coaches are losing , whingers and complete W@nkers.

The Boots N All team have analysed our team in have come to the following conclusions.

Paul Cullen ' the Giants are doing nothing different to other teams they are just doing it better'

Phil Clarke @ the giants are just playing the way as other teams, no garpples no slowing down the play the ball, they did nothing different to Wigan'


Eddie, ' it seems the only coaches complaining are those who have lost to the Giants'

So there we have it in a nutshell. We now have a coach who knows how to get the best out of his players even despite their limitations ( take note Mr Noble), they remain focused and work hard all game and do not make excuses ( take note Mr Matterson).

What both of the above coaches have in common is an inabilty to be gracious in defeat and to give their opponents some credit.

I would have posted on the Wigan forum but any posts critical of them seem to get locked.

I have no doubt that we will not be able to keep our current success all season BUT we are heading in the right direction in every criteria that needs to be judged. Taking well over 500 tickets for the Quins game away this season, over a 1000 at Bradford for our first league win for 40 years, over 5500 season tickets sold and heading to a 9000 average crowd this season.

Win lose or draw the Giants are here to stay, to grow and bring success back to the home of RL......

Three things...

1) A "Boots n All" analysis doesn't make anything "Official".


2) Noble and Matterson are not the only two to complain about Giants tackling technique. IIRC Agar complained too (and they beat you).
3) Have a pint and a fag. Go on, you sound like you really need it...

I was talking about Friday nights game at work today and described the game as a contest between 2 teams that play a pretty dire gameplan but one is miles better at it then the other. Huddersfield look to be mastering the art of grinding teams down whereas we try to but are awful at it because we don't have enough players willing to bend their backs or capable of producing indivisual pieces of brilliance like you have.

I have no real problem with Huddersfield playing the way they do as you've got to do what ever you can to win. It isn't the most entertaining but it's getting the points on the board and thats what really matters.

As for how the games involving Huddersfield are being reffed well i had no problem with the general standard on Friday. We got plenty of penalties for the usual holding down and the like but weren't good enough to take the chances on the back of that.

The one decision i had a real big problem with was the disallowed try for Amos Roberts which to me looked a try for all money but that was made by the in-goal judge so again no problems.

I'd agree. No love lost from me for the Giants, but your tactics are no different from that of plenty of other teams - no matter how much it annoys me generally, its a widespread issue. Can only begrudingly credit you for being more effective at it.

You are correct that Noble and Matterson are moaners who like to put the blame elsewhere. Shudds did have an arguably greater exponent of that approach in Sharpe & he was clearly holding you back. I can only assume Noble takes that mantle because out of frustration that he can't recreate past glories; Matterson's motives I've no real guesses. As an aside I had a conversation with a workmate (a football fan) about this months back - whether it's better for a manager to spout clear crap in denial about his teams shortcomings. I can understanding wanting to protect them in public & keep any solutions in house, but when it gets extreme, surely they lose all credibility.

right this is how it is,like it or lump it.

for years wigan,and castleford,amongst most,.if not every super league club saw a game v huddersfield as a guaranteed 2 points...fast forward a few years, and huddersfield have one of the best coaches in the game and are now competitive, even beating the likes of wigan and castleford, and guess what, they dont like getting beaten by "lowly" huddersfield so have to make excuses to appease their supporters



as my sig says, who will be next???

funny how both matterson and noble forget to mention how their teams benefitted from a big penalty count in their favour, not to mention possession in their favour and both coaches saw us reduced to a man short but still couldnt beat us.

i ask matterson and noble, why not

I wouldn't get too far ahead tbh mate.

Wigan are no great shakes nor are Cas are any of the other sides you've beaten this season.

At the end of the day this is a 2 team league and the rest of us are also rans. We're much of a muchness that can all beat each other on any given day.

I really do hoe somebody can break that pretty soon but i certainly don't see it this season.

Where've you been for the last five years?





Most Cas fans NOW would be among the first to welcome clubs like Giants doing well. Some of you guys really need to brush that chip off and take a chill pill.

Yeah after spending 2 of the last 5 years in nl1 we begrudge a side that has been in SL and built up a steady squad a victory against us

no seriously...... Cant comment on your game with wigan however your dicipline against us was crap. take a look at the penalty count.

The whole world is not out to get your club you know, the sooner the hudds fans on rlfans get this the better. nobody cares if its you up at the top of the league or any other club

I'd imagine a higher penalty count against Huddersfield is a reflection of Huddersfields gameplan - to grind teams down. They are going to give away penalties doing it, but that is one of the consequences of playing that sort of game. However, it does have its benefits at the same time. Huddersfield have done nothing differently to other teams except they have done it better and have been more clinical. All of the best teams push the boundaries, it is part of the game IMO.

I noticed that the game against Hull F.C. and Castleford, a lot of tackles from Huddersfield players (mainly; Wild, Kirmond and Brown) were around the neck and head, looking at the RFL discipline reports, Wild and Kirmond have received a few warning letters already about tackling techniques - so have a fair few other Huddersfield players, so it isn't going un-noticed, the RFL seemingly don't have the bottle to dish out fines/bans to these players even though they are persistent with the "wrestling techniques".

The part Clarkey was looking at about how long they hold down in the tackle isn't the problem imo, most teams are slowing the PTB down too much now trying to copy the NRL last year.

Well you could not make it up if you tried Unless you are GASLIGHT.


Kirmond has recieved NO warning letters and has been up before the beak twice with no sanction.

Wild has been given two warning letters the minimum sanction which hardly counts as a dangerous indavidual. Considering he is making/ averaging 45 tackles per match maybe this season tiredness is a factor.

Additionally dozens of players this season from all clubs have recieved warning letters ( a change in policy by the Rfl is my guess)

Clarkey said that he watched the Cas game as well looking at all the tackling techniques and saw nothing wrong or different from other teams

Dont let the facts get in the way.

What higher penalty count are you on about.
Until last week we were 4th in the fairplay league with the majority of penalties being for technical offences ie offside.

We have slipped to 8th this week after a fractious game vs Wigan which was mainly due to two sin binnings one for fighting and one for kicking the ball away. Neither of which i would suggest are part of some game plan,

Nathan Brown to

griffin at half time

' i want you to go out and have a fight with 3 wigan players'

or to Robinson

' i want you to petulantly kick the ball away'

I doubt it.

anytime someone whinges at a succesful RL team the best response is always "look at the score board"

to be fair Nathan Brown should have done that to Noble and Matterson when they *ahem* offered their thoughts



but they would have probably have moaned to the press that he was been very unsporting in his actions

every team is being picked up for the tackling technique this year so i done see a problem with it,

Huddersfield beat Cas fair and square, i cant comment on the Wigan game because i havent seen anything apart from the fight.

Huddersfield should be up there at the end of the season.......a very competent team.

No one gives two shiny shats about Huddersfield.



Small time club with small time fans.

You stick to polishing turds.

Great comeback lad.

Moaning was bound to happen with Brown coming directly from the NRL.

Nothing different from Hudds from the games I have seen regarding their technique. Get numbers to the tackle, but as we have seen smart coaches find away around this.

You mentioned 'shiny shats'. It was the first thing that came into my mind!

indeed you are correct !

the hours in Huddersfield are in fact only 47 minutes long as opposed to 60 everywhere else



now hurry up back to the bus, they're waiting for you !!

As opposed to dragging it all up again after listening to Eddie Hemmings ill informed bullsh*t, you mean? I agree.

How does it feel being small timers?

Oh boo hoo.
Nice to see another team up there I say, wish it was mine!
Personally didn't rate Brown as a coach in the NRL, reminded me of Cullen (great team, didnt deliver), seems to be doing the business over here though.