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| e 21-man squad is:
ALEX WALKER
TOM JOHNSTONE
BILL TUPOU
REECE LYNE
JACOB MILLER
DANNY BROUGH
DAVID FIFITA
KYLE WOOD
TINIRAU ARONA
MATTY ASHURST
JOE WESTERMAN
JAY PITTS
CRAIG KOPCZAK
CHRIS GREEN
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GEORGE KING
JOSH WOOD
LEE KERSHAW
RYAN ATKINS
KELEPI TANGINOA
ROMAIN NAVARRETE
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| So no jowitt !!!
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonly"So no jowitt !!!'"
Broughy has obviously done enough to unseat the holder of the position.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Broughy has obviously done enough to unseat the holder of the position.'"
So Chester in interview says brough will have to play some to get max out of team and promptly drops him to give brough his chance.
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonly"So Chester in interview says brough will have to play some to get max out of team and promptly drops him to give brough his chance.'"
Realistically it's the perfect time to bring Brough back into the side, the problem is that if he has a decent game which on the face of it he should playing lower league opposition and I don't care who their coach is, then come next week it will be difficult to drop him and once again poor old jowitt misses out, who'd be a coach eh.
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| Feel a bit sorry for Max, he does a sterling job and then loses his place in the squad. Or is he injured? Seems harsh to not even be in the 21.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"Realistically it's the perfect time to bring Brough back into the side, the problem is that if he has a decent game which on the face of it he should playing lower league opposition and I don't care who their coach is, then come next week it will be difficult to drop him and once again poor old jowitt misses out, who'd be a coach eh.'"
Exactly this.
With this being a cup game that Trinity "should" win comfortably, it's exactly the right time to bring in the likes of Fifita and Brough.
However, you just know that Brough will keep his spot next week and that Jowitt will have to sit out the games until the next crisis.
The lad deserves a bloody medal for his patience and loyalty to the club, he really does.
Regardless of form, Chester will always stick to his "favourites", it's something that he's done consistently for all the time that he's been in charge
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| Do we know if Max is 100% fit ?
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| I think we had this chap for the home Warrington game
Challenge Cup
WAKEFIELD TRINITY V BRADFORD BULLS
Friday 13th March
The Mobile Rocket Stadium | KO : 19:45
Referee M. Griffiths
Touch Judge 1 L. Rush
Touch Judge 2 R. Thompson
In Goal C. Astbury
In Goal 2 L. Staveley
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M Com P. Crashley
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| Gobsmacked he's been dropped. Feel really sorry for him!
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| I can only think of one player in the past who has stuck to his allegiance with the club as Max Jowitt has, and that was the late (and great!) Ken Hirst.
Ken constantly played second to other wingers, such as Prinsloo, Coetzer and Fred Smith and probably others. Yet he stuck with the club (having made his debut as a 16 year old), for years and nearly won the watersplash final for us.
Somehow, I don't think Max will stick around with the same patience and who the hell can blame him.
I think since his time here he's been treated badly to say the least.
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| You forgot Stan Smith from the same era, he was a one club man at Wakey as was his namesake Fred who despite being signed on at Leeds never played for them only Wakey.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"You forgot Stan Smith from the same era, he was a one club man at Wakey as was his namesake Fred who despite being signed on at Leeds never played for them only Wakey.'"
If he's old enough to remember Fred Smith its hardly surprising that he can't remember ! Being serious if Jowitt is fit surely a fairer test would be give them a game each, as a matter of courtesy would have thought max should (if fit) remained in the squad - we actually have 4 players in the squad that won't play so surely we could have extended him that courtesy
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| Toronto is a game we need to win to give us a relegation buffer, and after that are four games where two wins would be a major result (Wigan, Leeds and Cas at home, and Saints away). If there was any game to bring Brough and Fifita back, it's the cup game. On his day, Brough is a much better player than Jowitt. That isn't bagging Jowitt, because on his day Brough is better than most. It'll give Chester an insight into how many days Brough might have left. Until he hurt his hand last year, he was the bees knees.
If Jowitt is to be first choice, arguably Chester would be mad to risk him in a cup game when there is an able deputy in Brough.
He can't win sometimes.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Toronto is a game we need to win to give us a relegation buffer, and after that are four games where two wins would be a major result (Wigan, Leeds and Cas at home, and Saints away). If there was any game to bring Brough and Fifita back, it's the cup game. On his day, Brough is a much better player than Jowitt. That isn't bagging Jowitt, because on his day Brough is better than most. It'll give Chester an insight into how many days Brough might have left. Until he hurt his hand last year, he was the bees knees.
If Jowitt is to be first choice, arguably Chester would be mad to risk him in a cup game when there is an able deputy in Brough.
He can't win sometimes.'"
TBH thats not quite the point I was trying to make I get giving brough a run what I dont get is dropping jowitt out of the squad
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"If Jowitt is to be first choice, arguably Chester would be mad to risk him in a cup game when there is an able deputy in Brough.'"
That's how I see it - and given that it's ostensibly a match we should win at a canter, if Jowitt needs a week to fix up any niggles, this would be the right week.
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| It can only be fair to assume that Max has picked up a knock otherwise he would surely have made the 21.
On current form he is easily our first choice full back and first choice half back and if it's a case of someone making way for Brough then Miller and Walker should have been way more obvious candidates than Jowitt.
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonly"If he's old enough to remember Fred Smith its hardly surprising that he can't remember ! Being serious if Jowitt is fit surely a fairer test would be give them a game each, as a matter of courtesy would have thought max should (if fit) remained in the squad - we actually have 4 players in the squad that won't play so surely we could have extended him that courtesy'"
I did say at the end who'd be a coach, as a fan you have to respect the coaches decisions he'll stand or fall by those, that's why I don't criticise, all I will say is he's in a privileged position doing a job he loves and getting paid reasonably well for it, personally I'm not really bothered who plays where, and it makes sense to bring Fifita and Brough back this week, but bringing sentiment into it, which tbh Chester can't afford that you can't help feeling sorry for Max, I also agree with what Wrencat said when he said that Chester picks his favourites and fwiw I honestly don't think that Max is.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"I did say at the end who'd be a coach, as a fan you have to respect the coaches decisions he'll stand or fall by those, that's why I don't criticise, all I will say is he's in a privileged position doing a job he loves and getting paid reasonably well for it, personally I'm not really bothered who plays where, and it makes sense to bring Fifita and Brough back this week, but bringing sentiment into it, which tbh Chester can't afford that you can't help feeling sorry for Max, I also agree with what Wrencat said when he said that Chester picks his favourites and fwiw I honestly don't think that Max is.'"
I think one of our problems (and I say problems tongue-in-cheek, as it's not a bad one to have) is that we have four players who are of equal or similar ability. At some clubs, the half-back pairing or full back have obvious first choices. In our case, our half-back pairings are either Brough-Miller, Miller-Rocky, Miller-Jowitt, Brough-Jowitt, Brough-Rocky, Rocky-Jowitt, but they are all so similar in quality that it is hard to pick a winner. Similarly at full-back, not much to choose between Rocky and Jowitt, and Walker was good last year at London.
How a coach chooses, I don't know. Do you pick Miller-Jowitt because you think Rocky is a better full-back, or Miller-Rocky because Rocky is a better stand-off, or whatever combination? And factor in Brough, who can be superb with his kicking game on the right day, it's a coaches nightmare. Any combination sort of works, but every combination leaves one of the four out. And with Walker, five.
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| Chester is on record saying Brough has to earn his place back.
And on the one club man thing JT is exactly that guy. Was second fiddle for a long time but stuck it out to bring one of the most popular at the club.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I think one of our problems (and I say problems tongue-in-cheek, as it's not a bad one to have) is that we have four players who are of equal or similar ability. At some clubs, the half-back pairing or full back have obvious first choices. In our case, our half-back pairings are either Brough-Miller, Miller-Rocky, Miller-Jowitt, Brough-Jowitt, Brough-Rocky, Rocky-Jowitt, but they are all so similar in quality that it is hard to pick a winner. Similarly at full-back, not much to choose between Rocky and Jowitt, and Walker was good last year at London.
How a coach chooses, I don't know. Do you pick Miller-Jowitt because you think Rocky is a better full-back, or Miller-Rocky because Rocky is a better stand-off, or whatever combination? And factor in Brough, who can be superb with his kicking game on the right day, it's a coaches nightmare. Any combination sort of works, but every combination leaves one of the four out. And with Walker, five.'"
The coach and his staff work with the players all week and will have a lot better idea what's working and what isn't, so for me it's better to put personal preferences to one side and let them get on with it, one thing for sure, without trying to insult anybody, most fans think they know better and for every half a dozen he pleases it will balance itself out with those he upsets
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| Quote ="PopTart"Chester is on record saying Brough has to earn his place back.
And on the one club man thing JT is exactly that guy. Was second fiddle for a long time but stuck it out to bring one of the most popular at the club.'"
Yeah of course PT how could I forget JT! RWB to the core.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"I did say at the end who'd be a coach, as a fan you have to respect the coaches decisions he'll stand or fall by those, that's why I don't criticise, all I will say is he's in a privileged position doing a job he loves and getting paid reasonably well for it, personally I'm not really bothered who plays where, and it makes sense to bring Fifita and Brough back this week, but bringing sentiment into it, which tbh Chester can't afford that you can't help feeling sorry for Max, I also agree with what Wrencat said when he said that Chester picks his favourites and fwiw I honestly don't think that Max is.'"
I alluded to your last sentence in a post elsewhere. CC seems to have his favourites and for whatever reason Max Jowitt doesn't seem to be one of them.
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| oh do me a ******* favour
whine whine whine, you bitch when players play out of position and bitch when they play their positions
some people could be forgiven for thinking you're just gonna bitch no matter what
surely that can't be true......
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| Quote ="Emley Cat"Feel a bit sorry for Max, he does a sterling job and then loses his place in the squad. Or is he injured? Seems harsh to not even be in the 21.'"
he seems to be the one that always gets dropped
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