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| Note to Michael McIllorom - if you want to someone, wait 'til Gansonm is ref and you are 1min 30 secs from end of game.
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Because both incidents were the same.
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| Or a better note could be - don't be a knob
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| 2 game ban. Oh wait, he plays for Leeds, ban the Wakefield player for having the cheek to headbutt Leuluai's fist.
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| Quote ="CM Punk"2 game ban. Oh wait, he plays for Leeds, ban the Wakefield player for having the cheek to headbutt Leuluai's fist.'"
Did you miss fox punch him twice first?
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Or a better note could be - don't be a knob'"
Whilst your comment about MM may have some validity, tonights refereeing decision certainly raises questions... Like, when is the correct time in a game to punch someone.....?
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| Here's a great game for this thread - Spot the Leeds fans!
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| I didn't see what incident caused the punching, but the punching seemed to be just one of those fights that happens in most games when someone doesn't like the treatment they get in a tackle.
The McIlorum case was clear foul play during the passage of play.
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| Quote ="BigRedV"I didn't see what incident caused the punching, but the punching seemed to be just one of those fights that happens in most games when someone doesn't like the treatment they get in a tackle.
The McIlorum case was clear foul play during the passage of play.'"
Punching is punching, whichever way you want to gloss over it.
Numerous players have been sent off for punching this season.
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| To clarify, two blokes scrapping after a tussle is different to a defender attacking an opponent's head, off the ball.
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| Quote ="BigRedV"To clarify, two blokes scrapping after a tussle is different to a defender attacking an opponent's head, off the ball.'"
It is, but I suspect the OP was referencing McIlorum's sending off against Bradford a couple of months ago where he punched Elima once and got a red card.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"It is, but I suspect the OP was referencing McIlorum's sending off against Bradford a couple of months ago where he punched Elima once and got a red card.'"
Stop speaking sense and let people put into place their own agenda.
If the rules are consistent then he should have been off. But no action will be taken.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Did you miss fox punch him twice first?'"
Would that be before or after Leuluai "made direct contact with the head" whilst Fox was on the ground?
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| Far as I can see Kylie went into the tackle to punch Fox, missed so had a few more shots for good measure.
90s to go, strong talking to, get on with it. Good reffing IMO.
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| Quote ="Code13"90s to go, strong talking to, get on with it. Good reffing IMO.'"
Whilst I partly agree, the time on the clock should be irrelevant. Foul play is foul play. It has no bearing on the game and he will probably get banned anyway if the incident is worthy (although with the RFL you never know) but as I say, foul play is foul play be it the first or last minute.
This is the same referee who last week was screaming down the ear of the referee to send a player off for contact with the head (rightly) but then this week used the time on the clock as a reason not too.
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| Peeps .... MM is just a mong and should be consigned to the wheelie bin.
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| ^ Agreed.
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| After taking everyone's opinions and thoughts into consideration the only true fact that has been posted is that MM is infact a mong. Case closed.
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| Quote ="Bartholemew Smythe"Peeps .... MM is just a mong and should be consigned to the wheelie bin.'"
If he comes from Mongolia how did he get to play RL for Ireland ?
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| I find these comments rather offensive, and hope that the moderators have PM'd Bartholemew Smythe...
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| I actually thought the player (Abblett in think) behind Leuluai who punched Fox when he was on the floor was the worst offender and should get a ban, he had no need to throw a punch into Fox's face and cannot claim he was defending Leuluai who had already given Fox a beating!
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| I thought Ganson handled it quite well - the main problem though, is that players have been heavily penalised for similar offences throughout the season so once again, a lack of consistency in how incidents like this are dealt with.
Ablett is the player who most deserves censure - he ran in and dropped a cheap shot on Foxy when the scuffle was all but done.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I actually thought the player (Abblett in think) behind Leuluai who punched Fox when he was on the floor was the worst offender and should get a ban, he had no need to throw a punch into Fox's face and cannot claim he was defending Leuluai who had already given Fox a beating!'"
^ This.
For me the two main protagonists were as bad as each other but essentially there was nothing in it. Leuluai put a hit on Fox (unsure if he swung a punch in the initial 'flying tackle'). Fox swung his arms/elbows around because he didn't like the rough treatment- not sure if he made contact. Leuluai didn't like Foxes flailing arms and started punching, Fox replied in kind and then that house Ablett runs in and punches an already outclassed Fox.
Cheap shot flat track bully is Ablett
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| And again, the whining about Leeds players not getting carded or banned starts up again. From the same lot who though Paul Wood shouldn't have been sent off in the cup final, or that Briers shouldn't have got 10 minutes for a tackle in the air, or that various players throughout the season shouldn't have gotten sent off for tackling Rob Burrow around the head.
Let's not even get started on Amor leading into a tackle with the elbow last night.
Consistency from the refs? Let's get some consistency from yourselves first.
n.b. for the record, I think Kylie did ought to have gone last night.
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| Leaves a couple of questions that one doesn't it.
Should the time of the match be taken into account when punishing? Imo no, but Ganson clearly disagrees.
What is the degree of leniency given to the aggressor in these situations given the actions of the player being tackled? In a similar circumstance brought up here, McIlorum (wrongly, but understandably) thought he was being attacked by Elima due to repeated contact from Elima's elbow trying to release himself from the tackle, 'retaliates', red card. Right decision. Leuluai is struck by Fox (unclear if it was a retaliation from the headshot on the ground or just excessive in removing the tackler), puts in a punch on a vulnerable player, only a penalty. Imo, wrong decision.
Ablett and Leuluai will be lucky if they go to France...
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