In an ideal world if you were the England coach and had everyone available who would your 17 be for the opening game of the 4 nations ive gone for a couple of different ones here,

1) Sam Tomkins

2) Tom Briscoe (excellent work rate and returning the ball)
3) Stefan Ratchford (creates loads in the centre)
4) Jack Reed (if he chooses us and carries his form on all season)
5) Jermaine McGilveray (awesome at returning the ball and plenty of pace)

6) Gareth Widdop
7) Danny Brough

8 ) James Graham
9) James Roby
10) Sam Burgess (could get more from him spelling him at prop)
11) Gaz Ellis
12) Ben Westwood
13) Sean O'Loughlin

14) Luke Robinson (cover at 6,7,9 great energy off the bench)
15) Adrian Morley
16) Eorl Crabtree (not everyones cup of tea but impressed me evrytime he plays the aussies)
17) Joel Tomkins

could possibly swap Hock for Tomkins (joel) if he is fully match fit and playing well

1. Leon Pryce (People have forgot how good he is)
2. Tom Briscoe (an absolute beauty at tackling and good attack too)
3. Michael Shenton (Always impressed me when playing for England – we was in against the Aussies in a final until he got injured)
4. Martin Gleeson (The best English centre they is)
5. Jermaine McGilveray (The best English winger we have IMO)
6. Danny McGuire (The best six with have in this country)
7. Danny Brough (will bode well with Danny McGuire)
8. James Graham (best prop we have atm)
9. James Roby
10. Sam Burgess
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Liam Farrell (very underrated and has always impressed me when playing)
15. Eorl Crabtree
16. Stuart Fieldan
17. Gareth Hock

I'd say:

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Martin Gleeson (if he's still in the game by then - if not Yeaman or Welham)
4. Jack Reed
5. Jermaine McGilvary
6. Jonny Lomax (if his form continues - if not Luke Robinson)
7. Danny Brough
8. Adrian Morley
9. James Roby
10. James Graham
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Gareth Widdop
15. Sam Burgess
16. Joel Tomkins or Gaz Hock
17. Jamie Peacock

I think the spine picks itself. I'd be tempted to go with Ellis at centre as our back row is somewhere where we are strong, with centre been weak.

1. S. Tomkins

2. Macgillvray
3. Ellis
4. Shenton/Yeaman/Welham/Cudjoe (dependent on form)
5. Briscoe

6. Widdop
7. Brough

8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Burgess

11. Westwood
12. Hock (depending on form and fitness towards seasons end)
13. O'loughlin

14. Robinson
15. J. Tomkins
16. Crabtree
17. Mossop

sam tomkins
ryan hall/jones-bishop
reid
kallum watkins
mcgilvery
widdop
burrow
peacock
roby
graham
ellis
westwood
burgess

morley
brough
joel tomkins
crabtree

AND IF I HAD TO PICK THE TEAM AS OF NOW, THEN MOSSOP WOULD BE IN THE TEAM FOR PEACOCK

I actually like that team. But chuck Chris Heighton from Wests in for Boo Tomkins older brother and anyone in SL in for Adrian Morley, possibly Carvell.

Where have Reed and Heighington popped up from and why did no one mention them a week ago?

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Jack Reed
4. Leon Pryce
5. Jermaine McGilvary

6. Gareth Widdop (does he have a kicking game if Brough wasn't selected?)
7. Danny Brough / Jonny Lomax (don't know how Brough will come back after injury)

8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Sam Burgess
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Chris Heighington
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Luke Robinson
15. Ben Westwood
16. Eorl Crabtree
17. Lee Mossop

Reed, Widdop, Burgess, Burgess, Burgess, Ellis, Heighington, Worrincy, Flanagan, Graham (just), that kid from Widnes.

Any order, just throw them in.

Willie Manu.

Personally i'd have Jamie Foster in there from St Helens, but i reckon i'm alone on that one

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Jodie Broughton
3. Kris Welham
4. Tom Briscoe
5. Jermaine McGilvray
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Jonny Lomax
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Adrian Morley
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Sam Burgess
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Luke Robinson
15. Eorl Crabtree
16. Ben Westwood
17. Lee Mossop

Sam Burgess is out injured and wont be playing in the 4 nations

Notice the word 'ideal'.

Sack mcnamara first job!!!!!!!!!

stevemascord.com/2011/06/28/engl ... jack-reed/ Anyone seen the lad play?

stevemascord.com/2011/06/28/engl ... jack-reed/ Anyone seen the lad play?

he kicks a little for the storm, but only really attacking kicks - bombs or little chips, as cronk and smith do most of the general kicking for field position

1 S.Tomkins
2 Briscoe
3 Shenton
4 Reed
5 Foster
6 Widdop
7 Brough
8 Burgess
9 Roby
10 Graham
11 Westwood
12 Ellis
13 O'Loughlin

R Robinson
R Crabtree
R Hock
R J.Tomkins

You forgot Cuthbert, Dibble and Grubb.

1. Tomkins
2. Briscoe
3. Yeaman
4. Reed (If available) / Cudjoe / Ratchford
5. McGilveray

6. Widdop
7. Brough

8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Burgess (if fit) / Carvell
11. Westwood
12. Ellis
13. O'Loughlin

14. Robinson
15. Heighinton
16. Morley
17. Manu

yep burgess won't be playing....leon pryce asked him on twitter a week or 2 ago and sam said no he's not gonna play,he's gonna get his shoulder & ankle sorted ready for next season




and heighinton & manu??? r u on smack lad?...or tiger blood?

I'll give you Heighinton as I have'nt seen much of him this year and don't know about is availability, but Manu on the other hand has shown this year to be one of the best 2nd Rowers in the League so why not??

Heighington is a very good second rower, unbelievable work rate.

1. Sam Tomkins

2. Tom Briscoe
3. Kirk Yeaman
4. Kris Welham
5. Jamie Foster

6. Jonathan Lomax
7. Danny Brough

8. Craig Huby
9. James Roby
10. Darrell Griffin

11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Loughlin

Bench:-
14. Danny Houghton
15. Eorl Crabtree
16. James Graham
17. Lee Mossop

1. S. Tomkins
2. Hall
3. Ellis
4. Yeaman
5. Briscoe
6. Widdop
7. Brough
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Morley
11. Westwood
12. Heighington
13. O'Loughlin

14. Robinson
15. J. Tomkins
16. Crabtree
17. Carvell