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| I know it's not Bulls related but this guy could well and truly have just cost Castleford the Grand Final. Not in the squad for the GF as he failed to comply with club standards.
NO SPECULATION PLEASE THIS MAY BE LIBELLOUS. Thanks Bullseye.
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| Libel - What is it, and why should you care?
libel
ˈlʌɪb(ə)l/
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a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.
RLFANS.COM operates under the law of England & Wales and as such we are subject to the laws concerning libel (Defamation Act 2013). If libellous statements are made on the site then not only could the writer of the libel be prosecuted, but so could RLFANS.COM, and we obviously want to avoid that by removing libellous, or potentially libellous, comments as soon as they are posted on the site.
So what is defamation?
Under common law, to constitute defamation, a claim must generally be false and must have been made to someone other than the person defamed. Defamation in media such as printed words or images is called libel. Slander relates to spoken words. Message boards are a grey area and courts could treat posts on message boards as slander, like a conversation in a pub.
Anyone can be libelled, not just famous people. It is also possible to libel a company (for example the RFL or a club) although they can only sue if alleged the libel affects them monetarily.
If someone thinks a post about them is either defamatory or damaging the author of the post has to demonstrate that the comments are true in court and RLFANS.COM could be involved as we allowed the comments to be published.
An added complication is that links to defamatory material could also be classed as libellous on our part. You therefore need to check links of you are suspicious that this may be the case.
So is anything derogatory that is written about anyone else libellous?
No. There are many possible defences against libel which include (the ones relevant to us);
Requirement of serious harm: "A statement is not defamatory unless its publication has caused or is likely to cause serious harm to the reputation of the claimant".
Truth: It is a defence for defamation to show that the statement complained of is substantially true.
Honest opinion or fair comment: It is a defence for defamation, to show the statement complained of was a statement of opinion; that it indicated, in general or specific terms, the basis of the opinion; that an honest person could have held the opinion on any fact which existed when the statement was published, including any fact in a privileged statement that was pre-published.
For examples;
If someone says that they don’t like Club X then it isn’t libellous, if they say that they don’t like Club X because they are all drug cheats then it is.
If someone says that they don’t like referee X then there isn’t a problem, if they say that they don’t like referee X because he takes backhanders from club X then this is libellous.
Public interest: It is a defence to show the statement complained of was, or formed part of, a matter of public interest, and a publication was reasonably believed to be in the public interest.
Points to consider
When writing a post is what you're typing:
• False?
• Misleading?
• Made with the intent to harm someone’s reputation?
• Hearsay (unverified information/rumours which would harm an individual or companies reputation)?
What moderators should if they think something is libellous?
If they are sure that a post is libellous then they will move it to the Trash Can and Message the user to inform them why you have removed their post, and ask them not to repeat their allegations. If they ignore your request then they will remove the repeat message and ban the user from the site.
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| shame for Cas. Shame for Lynch too. I'd have liked to have seen him play on Saturday. Missed out with Morley before for us and now injured.
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| Brave call to leave one of their star players out of the line up under any circumstances.
Only time will tell whether it is the correct stance to make before the most important game in the clubs history.
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| Massive call from the Tigers to drop him for the final. Have to respect the decision that they are sticking to their standards even in the run up to the most important game in their recent history.
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| Cas as a club are coming out of this very well I think. They did with the numerous Chase situations too.
As far as Hardaker goes, I'm afraid some people will never learn and will always get in bother wherever they go. Just a matter of time.
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| I've no idea what he's done, nor do I really care.
What is obvious is his ability to hit the self destruct button at the worst possible times - seems quite a troubled young man
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| Quote ="dddooommm"Massive call from the Tigers to drop him for the final. Have to respect the decision that they are sticking to their standards even in the run up to the most important game in their recent history.'"
This.
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| World at his feet.He must be an idiot.
Greg Eden is as good,if not better,at F/B than he is on the wing.The way Cas play,anyone you put on the wing will score tries,so I don't see Hardaker's self explosion as a killer blow at all.
Jy hitchcox could come in and do just as well on the wing.
What price Greg Eden to score an hatrick from F/B?
CAS SHOULD HAVE TOO MUCH FOR leeds imo.
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| Confirmed in the news today that there has been a failed drugs test...
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| What an idiot.
Also, failing a drugs test on Sept 8th but being allowed to play a crucial role in the semi final win 3 weeks later doesn't seem right, not very fair on St Helens.
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| Terrible 48 hours for Castleford.
I wonder whether it’s PED or recreational? For anybody in the know, can these tests not immediately identify whether a sample includes a certain susbstance?
More importantly in all this, I hope somebody is keeping an eye on him. He’s made a massive mistake but his well-being is the highest priority in all of this.
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| Needs two separate samples to confirm a test either way IIRC. Standard practice across all sports I think.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Needs two separate samples to confirm a test either way IIRC. Standard practice across all sports I think.'"
I think that's right, but don't athletes normally get a provisional suspension in-between a and b samples? (pretty sure that's the UKAD guidelines)
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| Quote ="dddooommm"Terrible 48 hours for Castleford.
I wonder whether it’s PED or recreational? For anybody in the know, can these tests not immediately identify whether a sample includes a certain susbstance?
More importantly in all this, I hope somebody is keeping an eye on him. He’s made a massive mistake but his well-being is the highest priority in all of this.'"
Hardacre - "Finally, I would like to make it clear that in no way did I, nor would I, ever take a substance with the intention of enhancing my performance."
I think he answers the question in his own statement really.
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| Some media types have out and out said it was cocaine. Whilst that wasn't in the statements from the RFL or Castleford, media types wouldn't be reporting that if they weren't sure.
Edit: In fact, BBC website has it listed as that. [urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/41542423[/url
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| I hope Zak gets all the support needed, this lad is very talented but there is some underlying issues, this is a disease, and something that requires professional help, not people calling him this that and the other, is rugby league not a sport where we all stand together, thick and thin, good and bad, come on if your a rugby league supporter, then support Zak Hardaker
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| Quote ="Molsk111"I hope Zak gets all the support needed, this lad is very talented but there is some underlying issues, this is a disease, and something that requires professional help, not people calling him this that and the other, is rugby league not a sport where we all stand together, thick and thin, good and bad, come on if your a rugby league supporter, then support Zak Hardaker'"
Im sure Zak's had THE very best support at Leeds where he had chance after chance. Then he got yet more support from Cas and threw it back in their faces. If there is one thing the lad has had plenty of, it is support and help. He can't play the mental health card IMO he is just thick and simply doesn't learn (or care). His decisions aren't mental health. Its Zak making poor choices in the things he does and the people he hangs around with. Thats not a disease. The sport absolutely must be there for him now to avoid another Terry Newton situation. But the only person who can truly sort himself out is Zak. He's one of the most talented players the English game has got. Yet he'll never play in WC due to been suspended twice and might not play the sport again.
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| Quote ="Molsk111"I hope Zak gets all the support needed, this lad is very talented but there is some underlying issues, this is a disease, and something that requires professional help, not people calling him this that and the other, is rugby league not a sport where we all stand together, thick and thin, good and bad, come on if your a rugby league supporter, then support Zak Hardaker'"
There is a fine line between having mental health issues and just being a d*ckhead. We'll all have our opinions which side Zak falls on. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who claim mental health issues when it's nothing of the sort, because they don't want to take any blame themselves. That means people with genuine mental health problems are delayed in getting the help they need, and are sometimes frowned upon as "making it up" when they NEED help. Those who use it as an excuse are taking help away from people who genuinely need it, and are scum (not to say that is Zak, I don't know him, I couldn't say).
If he needs help, I hope he gets it. But I also think he's been given enough chances by the sport now and needs to be moved on. Unfortunately because he's such a good player, there will always be someone desperate enough to offer him a way back in. Which perhaps isn't what is best for his own well being, maybe he needs to be away from the limelight.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"There is a fine line between having mental health issues and just being a d*ckhead.'"
Yeah I tend to agree, particularly in this instance. If a club like Cas, which I've admired for a long time due to its ethos of cohesion, being more than the sum of your parts and sense of family, can't rectify the inherent character flaws of your Rangi Chase and Hardaker, then no one can. If you go to Cas and still end up a tool, perhaps you need to quit the game.
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