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| After reading Wobbly heads well written Blog the question is raised "what is the plan?"
There is the conspiracy theory based view that Chalmers and Lowe are RFL imposters to simply fulfil this years fixtures and drop us into oblivion there after.
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or the view they genuinely wanting to rebuild the club from the foundations up.
There is already a bit of a militant defence by some fans saying there is nobody to sign etc but to be honest I think there maybe if you are willing to part with some green.
I am torn between the two schools of thought at the minute as I would have loved to have seen some players that walked after the takeover taken back on to give us a fighting chance & there has been promises of some replacements for 3 weeks "next week" with nobody we need appearing.
What do you guys think??
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| The first option isn't really a conspiracy theory, its what's actually happening. They are not necessarily RFL imposters but there by the grace of the RFL to fulfil the fixtures.
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| Quote ="fifty50"The first option isn't really a conspiracy theory, its what's actually happening. They are not necessarily RFL imposters but there by the grace of the RFL to fulfil the fixtures.'"
They don't seem to be tearing up trees to bring in the cavalry do they?
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| From an outsiders view the plan has to be to go down fighting this year. If you are seen to be surrendering it will take too many off the fan base and suddenly you are heading towards 1000 crowds and from that point it is difficult to get back. Go down putting up a fight you will still lose some fans but not as many and this should give you the best chance of coming straight back up especially as you will have more financial clout than any other team down there and you will also have the advantage that you know you will be playing in that division long before anyone else so can get players tied up quicker. This is all of course dependant on overheads off the field not been too much in which case its going to be a struggle either way.
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| Sickening really..
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| I was told years ago that the RFL plan was to kill off the Bulls. I thought it was mad.
Whether or not it is the plan, that is in serious danger of being the outcome.
I was pleased we got 4K v. Rochdale but frankly the attendances will slowly tail off if we have that to watch all season. We won't win a game.
The year will be a financial disaster saved only by the rumoured deals re rent and maintenance with RFL, but once we are in the lower division, there is nowhere to go. The crowds will not pay for anything other than a team for that level, and sooner or later the ends won't meet and we will die a quiet and final death.
Sorry to be all gloom and doom but the thing which alarms me is here we have 2 NZ guys who have beaten off al;l comers to get the gig, yet they are treating the fans as an inconvenient afterthought. It's one thing not coming out with the standard new owner banal bullcrap, about how we're on the verge of great things etc., but the way they are behaving in terms of no news, no comms, no statements, no money, no signings, nothing, is just depressing.
Nobody really has a clue who they are, or what the plan is, and sadly the RFL close-them-down theory is as good a fit as any, and better than most.
And I was told, but refused to believe it.
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| Quote ="bowlingboy"After reading Wobbly heads well written Blog the question is raised "what is the plan?"
There is the conspiracy theory based view that Chalmers and Lowe are RFL imposters to simply fulfil this years fixtures and drop us into oblivion there after.'"
Someone at the club told me it's a Hetherington funded ploy to get Toovey a year's experience before he takes over Leeds at the end of this year.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Someone at the club told me it's a Hetherington funded ploy to get Toovey a year's experience before he takes over Leeds at the end of this year.'"
I can't see that a they would just sack Mc Dermott and bring him in, experience of the championship is not lie superleague he may as well have come on a holiday visa and got a season ticket for Leeds.
As FA says the lack of communication is the killer, nobody knows where we are, there was a piece in the programme Sunday saying players are imminent and still nothing, I have the feeling Sunday is going to come and go with no new landings at Odsal.
I also agree with FA is they think they will get away with not bringing anyone in and still get 4k crowds I would think again as the novelty factor of actually having a club will wear off very quick, loosing to Rochdale is bearable if things are to improve... if its more of the same for the foreseeable I would have to say i'm out season ticket or not.
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| All cloak and daggers eh?, or maybe there sticking to a budget for players on reduced funding from the rfl and making sure we dont go into admin yet again. Why panic buy and sign sign forwards on over inflated wages in the vain hope we can avoid religation. If we go down so be it, i will be there watching the club whilst rebuilding on solid foundations. It looks like a long term plan is in place to get back to a chance of returning to the super league
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| Quote ="Birky bull"All cloak and daggers eh?, or maybe there sticking to a budget for players on reduced funding from the rfl and making sure we dont go into admin yet again. Why panic buy and sign sign forwards on over inflated wages in the vain hope we can avoid religation. If we go down so be it, i will be there watching the club whilst rebuilding on solid foundations. It looks like a long term plan is in place to get back to a chance of returning to the super league'"
Conspiracy theories aside I think the most obivious strategy is the most likely otherwise why bother with re-hiring John Bastian, keeping the academy set-up and even signing academy recruits - which has just been announced in the last few minutes.
We should all brace ourselves for relegation, but that said what would have been the best case scenario even if we hadn't been deducted 12 points? Finishing 7th or 8th and yet another season in the Championship. If Lowe and Chalmers are serious about making a success of the Bradford Bulls they need to plan for the next 5-10 years. This is something that Green didn't do and it has been the club's undoing.
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| I would forget all about ever getting back to Superleague, that ship has long since sailed.
IMHO that was Greens and Ferrets problem they tried to bypass been a good championship team and retained non performing ex SL players just becoming a lack lustre let down..
We need to become a "good" championship team to get the buzz about the place, then after a few seasons of that go for a push.
Rolling over and dying into CH1 would loose fans, in turn income get that "buzz" back some fans will return with cash in their pocket.
Speculate to accumulate with regards to the playing staff, if they had resigned Chissy the day they released season tickets a massive portion of his wage would have probably been created in the extra sales.
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| We're on life support to get to the end of the season. The owners have no money so I'm doubtful about any signings that will keep us up. The lads that are here will give 100% but it won't be enough to stay up without some investment in the next month at the most.
I suspect Cha-Lo are doing the RFL a favour. I had hoped that they were in it so they could unlock the finance that's in the Odsal site. That's a long term job - even if it happens. I suspect it won't. In 80 years nothing has come to fruition with Odsal. I'm a bit cynical. We haven't even had a nice artist's impression in the T&A yet.
I hope something turns up because a lot of people will lose interest if it looks like the owners aren't in it 100%.
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| Whilst I would normally applaud a 5-10 year plan I am not sure there will even be a SL in that time
p.s. can someone please post a link to the blog.
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| Blog here: [urlhttp://wobblyheadedbull.tumblr.com/post/157208779803/whats-the-plan[/url
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| Why employ 2V if there only there to get to the end of the season to save face for the rfl? How do we know they have no money? There isn't an supermarket of available players for them to go and sign right now. Squads were sorted at other teams over the off season period. Through mismanagement out squad was assembled a few weeks before the season started.
A question for you, who would you sign right now for the Bradford Bulls who is available and will not ask for silly wages that we can't afford ( as yet again the budget remains tight due to last years events and the rfl cutting Short funding)
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| I'd look at the fitness and availability of Ben Harrison first and foremost. Other than that I cannot think of too many experienced pack members who would be on a fair wage and would be good at this level.
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| Quote ="Birky bull"Why employ 2V if there only there to get to the end of the season to save face for the rfl? How do we know they have no money? There isn't an supermarket of available players for them to go and sign right now. Squads were sorted at other teams over the off season period. Through mismanagement out squad was assembled a few weeks before the season started.
A question for you, who would you sign right now for the Bradford Bulls who is available and will not ask for silly wages that we can't afford ( as yet again the budget remains tight due to last years events and the rfl cutting Short funding)'"
I agree, bringing 2V in was definitely a coup that is being overlooked.
If we think back to those annoying days over Christmas when it looked like the Bulls were down and out - I'd take this long road to recovery anytime.
Our cobbled together team has only played two games; one of which the majority of us thought we would lose by 50+ but we didnt.
Ok the Rochdale result was not expected - but the way they stuffed Dewsbury the week before suggests our lads didnt do that bad a job.
I still think Cha&Lo will do their best to avoid us being relegated; but they dont want to make the same financial mistakes of previous owners.
If we go down I will still support the club because the only other alternative is no club to support, and we were so close to that over Christmas that we know how bad it could have been.
I dont blame anyone for doubting the current owners, we've been let down too many times; but personally I'll back Cha&Lo until the fat lady sings; and she's not even warming up yet.
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| Quote ="Fr13daY"Blog here: [urlhttp://wobblyheadedbull.tumblr.com/post/157208779803/whats-the-plan[/url'"
Thank you
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| I'm really surprised at some of the negative posts. How many times has the line cutting ones cloth been trotted out. Maybe chambers and Lowe are realists. New sponsors have been found, the academy is still operating, yes we need some experienced beef up front but where from, but remember when we signed an experienced forward called Luaki, how much was he on money wise for 5 minutes a game of third man in lying on.
Keep the faith it's a long season.
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| We signed lacking lauki when we had a pile of forwards now we have non..
The academy will be no good when we are in c1 and will not pay dividends for a couple of years if we stay where we are or achieve SL.
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| So what's the answer, sign players on inflated wages and risk going bust again in a few months . At least we now have RL folk in charge. It appears because they are not being as communicative with the fans as the fans would like, some don't trust them. I remember Green being very communicative at first. Just what happened with him. I say give them time to sort it out and remember they are starting from scratch.
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| Quote ="ifallwerelikemumby"... Maybe chambers and Lowe are realists....'"
It's not that they're realists, it's that they're skint realists. I wouldn't care if they were surrealists, hairstylists or even unicyclists, if they had a decent amount of liquid assets to build the club.
If there is any truth in any of the reports that proliferated at the end of the admin, there were other bidders who did (claim to) have a wedge of cash available to put in. But again, a known potless bid wins the day.
It is ludicrous to whine on about "cloth cutting" without considering who's the tailor. This seems like cloth cutting bu Harold Steptoe. You must concede that if the new owner were (for example) George Soros, we could obtan some damn fine cloth.
I am surprised I would even need to state the obvious, but skint owners who bring no money to the table will never get us anywhere but the knackers yard, whether in grand style,Marc Green stylee, or death by a thousand cuts like this looks like being
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"It's not that they're realists, it's that they're skint realists. I wouldn't care if they were surrealists, hairstylists or even unicyclists, if they had a decent amount of liquid assets to build the club.
If there is any truth in any of the reports that proliferated at the end of the admin, there were other bidders who did (claim to) have a wedge of cash available to put in. But again, a known potless bid wins the day.
It is ludicrous to whine on about "cloth cutting" without considering who's the tailor. This seems like cloth cutting bu Harold Steptoe. You must concede that if the new owner were (for example) George Soros, we could obtan some damn fine cloth.
I am surprised I would even need to state the obvious, but skint owners who bring no money to the table will never get us anywhere but the knackers yard, whether in grand style,Marc Green stylee, or death by a thousand cuts like this looks like being'"
I agree with all you say.Which raises the question asked by many, why are they in it?
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| Quote ="ifallwerelikemumby"I'm really surprised at some of the negative posts. How many times has the line cutting ones cloth been trotted out. Maybe chambers and Lowe are realists. New sponsors have been found, the academy is still operating, yes we need some experienced beef up front but where from, but remember when we signed an experienced forward called Luaki, how much was he on money wise for 5 minutes a game of third man in lying on.
Keep the faith it's a long season.'"
Agree with this. When signing experience they need to do a job rather than wasting money on just a name. The lad we got from Leeds (Oledzki) has done more in two games than Lauaki did in 2 seasons . Only thing Lauaki did really was one bit hit and two barnstorming runs in those 2 seasons. Whereas Oledzki offers us more minutes and more go-forward per drive.
That being said we are not winning the ruck and experience is needed in that respect.
But as mentioned before. Moore, Larroyer and a fit Ben Harrison would improve our pack massivley and give us a better chance of making yards, punching holes in defences and ultimately winning games.
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