Doesn't make for good reading.... www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... t_concert/

Doesn't make for good reading.... www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... t_concert/

People drunk at a music festival? Joke & disgrace.

What a complete load of crap,she must have nothing else to moan about at the moment

I was there and I had a good few drinks,it was a great night

By the sounds of it shes asked us to stop serving beer to those who have had enough and we've told her to jog on. Surely there must have been police on site during the concert? Were there any arrests made for drunk and disorderly behaviour? If PC Dawson was ignored then why didnt she shut down the bar using the onsite police officers if the club ignored her requests?

I wasn't there, so I can't say one way or the other.

However I have noticed the lack of experience of many bar staff at Odsal and almost every other RL ground (and other sports to be fair). This often leads to things like serving people who should be refused (for various reasons).

I can't image the people manning the bars at the concert will have been experienced bar staff, as they certainly aren't on game days, so this sort of thing is always likely to happen. Not sure why such a big fuss has been made about this specific occasion though, as it surely happens all the time.

The one thing I do know for sure is that people who are clearly underage get served at Odsal. I've seen people who I wasn't convinced were even 16 get served, never mind the whole "if you look under 25" thing. Again, not limited to Odsal, the same happens at loads of sporting grounds.

If this leads to something getting stricter at sporting grounds, I'm all for it, as I'm sick of underage idiots acting up at grounds because they've had a couple of pints and can't handle it. But if it's something that only gets pinpointed at Odsal, you can't help but feel they're missing the bigger picture and it's a bit unfair. It's like locking away one in a gang of bank robbers, then letting the others go scott free.

I find it a bit odd that the first time the world learns that our concert was, in fact, "chaos", is in August. Nobody who actually attended the event, or reported on it, seems to have noticed the "chaos".

Chaos is "complete disorder or confusion" so I would suggest that PC Dawson may be exaggerating the situation by using emotive langauge.

However, the club would do well to note any recommendations and make the necessary improvements to procedure if they hope to put a similar event on again.

the only chaos was the length of time it took to get a drink.

Hard to believe any managed to get drunk if they spent all day queuing!

It took us an hour and half to get served when we got in, missed first 2 acts

Thereby proving the maxim, "It's an ill wind .... "

We had I great night at the concert and saw no trouble at all. Sure there weren't enough bars, but that is not what the report is about.

Maybe one of the board ran over her dog....

Haha,I would of liked to of seen Sonia and Clare Grogan

There was no problems at all at the concert except people couldn't get served quick enough, everybody had a great time as I saw it strange this coming out now as above says?

Wow, slow news day is it? Why wasn't this reported at the time?

Wasn't there so don't know the facts. Surprised though that we're adopting such a combative approach in advance of the committee meeting.

Presumably because all the other personal vendettas against the club have failed.

The police hate you as well.

Whether they do or they don't, you must confess it's a bit weird accusing such a low-key small-crowd open-air venue of chaos, lack of control and drunkenness when there are not many in attendance, and where the limited bars are so busy people are queuing for over an hour, and where there has been not report whatsoever of a single problem.

I would suggest the officers in charge of policing this event may not yet be quite ready to take charge of Glastonbury and its 30-odd bars and million punters.

It smacks of PC Dawson trying very hard to impress someone to me.

So, a brief report on the [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10623959.Bulls_stadium_concert___s_failings_detailed_at_review/?ref=mrlicensing review[/url that took place yesterday.

Sounds like the Panel weren't overly impressed with the allegations, since


I remain uneasy at PC Dawson's attitude to this.
First, she said that the concert overran by eight minutes, she said Bruce Springsteen and Sir Paul McCartney had the plug pulled on them when they over-ran at a concert in London last year, and that this should also have happened at Odsal. This, to me, says it all. She is referring to the 2012 concert in Hyde Park, where 80,000 people were watching Springsteen and McCartney duetting when the organisers pulled the plug mid-song so as not to break the licence curfew. Now, anyone who has ever been to a concert knows that punctuality and strict timekeeping/scheduling really isn't what concerts , especially rock concerts, are all about, and so it was a mystery to me why the organisers didn't just let the show, within reason, finish after a belated encore or two. But obviously they must have been given the hard word by council jobsworths and feared for their future concerts, and were so fearful that they took this absurd step.

What's worrying is that most people would just shake their heads in bewilderment at the lack of any in-built common sense leeway, PC Jones thinks orders is orders, and eight minutes more Rick Astley than licenced is a heinous hanging offence. Which in fairness it probably is, but not for the reasons stated. Now, I would agree that serving alcohol beyond the permitted minute can't be allowed, but letting the performer take a few more minutes to finish the show, which is running generally within 1% or so of on time?? I and the zealous officer will have to disagree.

It may have happened in hyde Park, but it doesn't happen in most places across the globe, and such petty officialdom and jobsworth attitudes are to be deprectaed, not applauded. By doing this, the local authority in London, and on a wider note, in the eyes of the world the UK, were made a laughing stock. After the event, Boris Johnson said



Then, referring to the "chaos" in the Marquee bar, she said "She said: “If the queue for the Marquee Bar had gone badly wrong, then we could have been in the Coroners’ Court rather than the licensing committee.” Really? Or is this just over-dramatic hyperbole? What would people do? Kill themselves because they have to wait for a drink? Murder others in the queue to cut it down a bit? I mean, was there any need for this?

To me, the most telling statement came from Ryan Whitcut, who said the allegation of “chaos” was unfounded and that there had been no injuries, no evictions and crucially no complaints from residents.

Bang on

Careful suggesting the statements from PC Dawson are anything other than fare and correct - otherwise the next time you try to jet off for your summer hols you will be detained for 9 hours and have a detailed rectal inspectionicon_smile.gif

PC Dawson has been [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10643342.Wider_ban_on_street_traders_around_Bradford_City_ground/in the news again[/url, this time she's on the case of street vendors at Valley Parade, who from yesterday are now banned within the area between Midland Road, Hamm Strasse, Queens Road and Manningham Lane.

The reasons she wanted this were:


Now, I don't attend City games, but must confess I have never heard of an example of a speccy being injured due to this "compromising of safety". I do work nearby, and have seen the guy selling scarves and hats on Manningham Lane, and the food van that sets up near Harrisons Electrical. I didn't see either of them as presenting any safety problem whatsoever. People wanting a burger seemed to just form a short queue, and there's plenty of room for it.

However, I may be missing something, so maybe some of you who are regular attenders can tell me whether you have reason to believe safety has been compromised?

The other point - "local takeaways have seen business drop" - is that the business of the police licensing officer? Also, what evidence is there of this? Have the police gathered evidence? And if so, for what reason? I find it hard to believe. There are a number of fast food outlets along Manningham Lane and I will take some persuading that when City are playing, their business "DROPS". They are look packed out to me. Some - eg a sandwich shop - open specially for City games. How is that a "drop"?

If I had a takeaway on a popular approach to VP, and saw my business "drop" on matchdays, I would feel duty bound to shoot myself as a disgrace to business.

They serve and protect.