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| "i dont want that club (featherstone rovers) mentioned in the same breath as my club the Bulls" how right you were Chris, what goes round comes round son
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| It's not his club though. It's our club....
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| So why not track him down and tell him that.
What good does it do coming and saying this to the fans who have done all they can and the ones who are already hurt most by all of this.
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| Quote ="gingdong""i dont want that club (featherstone rovers) mentioned in the same breath as my club the Bulls" how right you were Chris, what goes round comes round son'"
Aren't there enough problems at Cas for the Cappers to wet themselves about without twisting the knife in these poor devils.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"So why not track him down and tell him that.
What good does it do coming and saying this to the fans who have done all they can and the ones who are already hurt most by all of this.'"
HURT you dont know the meaning of the word, we were kicked out of the top flight after finishing 7th in 95 for "the good of the game" i have seen Rovers win the league and cup and now we were sacrificed for Paris. Rovers a club that in i think 64 gave the then Bradford Northern several players to get started again. Then some years later in our hour of need we get a public remark like that of one of the big decision makers of the time. Not ONE of you fans took him to task you all bought into it. Sorry like i say what goes round comes round
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"Aren't there enough problems at Cas for the Cappers to wet themselves about without twisting the knife in these poor devils.'"
You mean twist the knife in like Caisley did to us, mind he stuck it in the back
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| Quote ="gingdong"HURT you dont know the meaning of the word, we were kicked out of the top flight after finishing 7th in 95 for "the good of the game" i have seen Rovers win the league and cup and now we were sacrificed for Paris. Rovers a club that in i think 64 gave the then Bradford Northern several players to get started again. Then some years later in our hour of need we get a public remark like that of one of the big decision makers of the time. Not ONE of you fans took him to task you all bought into it. Sorry like i say what goes round comes round'"
What has any of this got to do with our fans and our situation?
No one said you haven't been hurt in the past, doesn't mean as fans we aren't hurting now. Takes a really bitter sort to come on and spout rubbish on a day like this.
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| Quote ="gingdong""i dont want that club (featherstone rovers) mentioned in the same breath as my club the Bulls" how right you were Chris, what goes round comes round son'"
Seventeen years of clenched fists and anger - I'm happy for you that you're now happy.
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| Quote ="gingdong"HURT you dont know the meaning of the word, we were kicked out of the top flight after finishing 7th in 95 for "the good of the game" i have seen Rovers win the league and cup and now we were sacrificed for Paris. Rovers a club that in i think 64 gave the then Bradford Northern several players to get started again. Then some years later in our hour of need we get a public remark like that of one of the big decision makers of the time. Not ONE of you fans took him to task you all bought into it. Sorry like i say what goes round comes round'"
The Chris Moyles thing you brought on yourselves.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"What has any of this got to do with our fans and our situation?
No one said you haven't been hurt in the past, doesn't mean as fans we aren't hurting now. Takes a really bitter sort to come on and spout rubbish on a day like this.'"
Gingdong and myself post in very different styles. However, I can undestand his emotions here.
In 95 when caisley made those comments, he was given resounding support from Bradford fans. The hurt, despair, futility etc we were experiencing at that time was rejected by fans of Bradford and scorned/mocked by some in the RL press - this went on for a number of years when the subject of P&R/licencing is repeatedly debated as internet fora became the vogue.
So yes, I can understand why there is some bitterness. I can understand why there is a lack of sympathy or empathy here from some with keener memories than most or by some with a stronger sense of injustice.
I know that you will all be feeling the crapola right now. But that's nowt to the place we've been this last 17 years. Yes I know it wasn't Bradford fans fault. Some weren't even born then.
But some with long memories still hold Caisley part responsible and remember the mocking and lack of support from Bulls fans back then.
Bitter??? Perhaps.
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| Quote ="gingdong"You mean twist the knife in like Caisley did to us, mind he stuck it in the back'"
No-one benefited more than Bradford from our relegations as recently as 2004/6 but you just move on mate.....the suits will always be gunning for clubs like Cas/Fev. You can't hold the fans responsible and it's them you are taking a cheap shot at (and before you say it, yeah just like Chase on Ropati).
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| Is there a point to this thread? Other then showing some people up to be very petty?
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| Quote ="Rotherham Fev Fan"Gingdong and myself post in very different styles. However, I can undestand his emotions here.
In 95 when caisley made those comments, he was given resounding support from Bradford fans. The hurt, despair, futility etc we were experiencing at that time was rejected by fans of Bradford and scorned/mocked by some in the RL press - this went on for a number of years when the subject of P&R/licencing is repeatedly debated as internet fora became the vogue.
So yes, I can understand why there is some bitterness. I can understand why there is a lack of sympathy or empathy here from some with keener memories than most or by some with a stronger sense of injustice.
I know that you will all be feeling the crapola right now. But that's nowt to the place we've been this last 17 years. Yes I know it wasn't Bradford fans fault. Some weren't even born then.
But some with long memories still hold Caisley part responsible and remember the mocking and lack of support from Bulls fans back then.
Bitter??? Perhaps.'"
I can understand where you are coming from.
But there is a massive difference in a lack of sympathy/empathy and coming and making a thread on a Bradford forum on the day we've been put into administration.
Bitterness, and caring more about another clubs downfall than your own clubs wellbeing. If Leeds were in the situation we were in, I wouldn't be gloating right now I can tell you that.
Any real RL supporter does not want to see this happen to any club.
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| I don't want to indulge in a petty war of words Mr Gingdong, but there really is no need for that. Very sad really .... on a whole load of levels
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"No-one benefited more than Bradford from our relegations as recently as 2004/6 but you just move on mate.....the suits will always be gunning for clubs like Cas/Fev. You can't hold the fans responsible and it's them you are taking a cheap shot at (and before you say it, yeah just like Chase on Ropati).'"
End of the day m8 you were relegated because you finished bottom and new at the seasons start if you finished bottom you were going down. In 95 we were pushing for a play off place then booted out all rubber stamped by Caisley and i never heard 1 Bradford fan protest. Anyway theyv no need to be upset its been obvious what the outcome will be, go into admin then a buyer comes in takes them over on the cheap because he wont pay the bills and they will be stronger long term.
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| Quote ="Bob Haigh"I don't want to indulge in a petty war of words Mr Gingdong, but there really is no need for that. Very sad really .... on a whole load of levels'"
I tell you what was sad, pre 95 i used to go to every Rovers game with my dad and uncles big family affair then it all stopped after 95 because they all became disillusioned and Caisleys remark was the final nail they though whats the point. Leaving me going by myself, now that was very sad for me
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"
Bitterness, and caring more about another clubs downfall than your own clubs wellbeing. If Leeds were in the situation we were in, I wouldn't be gloating right now I can tell you that.
Any real RL supporter does not want to see this happen to any club.'"
Well aye. I won't be running round rawmarsh waving my Fev scarf rejoicing about the impending collapse of the Bulls. I've more to do with my time and bitterness/anger are such wasteful emotions given that a good percentage of Bulls fans will have had as much to do with supporting Caisley as most living Germans had to do with WWII!!!!
My real angst is directed at the gang of four back then, but whom Caisley was the only one making such daft comments regarding the decisions he and the others were making that affected my club.
I realise he has nowt to do with RL nowadays and the current plight of the Bulls can also be directly attributed to some of his decision making.
But like I said previously, I can see why some are ambivalent to bulls fans plight given Caisley's comments and Bulls fans reactions.
Given JCT's intent I suspect a short period of admin and Bradford will be back in business - bought on the cheap like Glover did at Wakey. Result. Everyone back in business.
No further comment from me on this. Enough has already been etched on this now.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I can understand where you are coming from.
But there is a massive difference in a lack of sympathy/empathy and coming and making a thread on a Bradford forum on the day we've been put into administration.
Bitterness, and caring more about another clubs downfall than your own clubs wellbeing. If Leeds were in the situation we were in, I wouldn't be gloating right now I can tell you that.
Any real RL supporter does not want to see this happen to any club.'"
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Clubs like your have no idea what we went through and not a lot of you seemed to care neither
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| Only real men know how to forgive though.
Many of us on here weren't even old enough to know what was going on back then! What have we done wrong?
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| It's all my fault apparently. Or yours.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Only real men know how to forgive though.
Many of us on here weren't even old enough to know what was going on back then! What have we done wrong?'"
Oh, just let the sad twwat vent his bitter spleen, what difference does it make? he doesn't care about that! Everyone can see he's just a bitter saddo, and if it makes him happy, then at least on the day our club dies we can be glad we were able to make the miserable pillock's day.
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| Quote ="gingdong"I tell you what was sad, pre 95 i used to go to every Rovers game with my dad and uncles big family affair then it all stopped after 95 because they all became disillusioned and Caisleys remark was the final nail they though whats the point. Leaving me going by myself, now that was very sad for me'"
And that was one of the levels of sadness I was referring to. I wasn't belittling your situation, I understand your pain (I also happen to be a Halifax Town fan too!) but I fail to understand the logic or rationale in you having a go at Bradford fans today or any other day.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Only real men know how to forgive though.
Many of us on here weren't even old enough to know what was going on back then! What have we done wrong?'"
Maybe not, but your not stupid so dont you wonder how on earth you got a licence and "b" at that i mean who went through your accounts Stevie Wonder. You must be able to see the whole system is corrupt and a farce. Would be funny if it meant some famous old clubs wernt stuck in a division men in suits wont let them get out of.The annoying thing is after all this you will still be in the top flight and Rovers can win the Championship 10 years in a row and we wont. NOW THAT IS SAD, but the Bradford fans even the young ones will see nothing wrong with this system because after all it doesnt effect them does it
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| Quote ="gingdong"HURT you dont know the meaning of the word, we were kicked out of the top flight after finishing 7th in 95 for "the good of the game" '" Fev finished eleventh in 1994/95 and, like all the clubs below them in the league (Hull, Salford, Wakefield, Widnes, Doncaster), failed to make the cut for SL which was eventually comprised of the ten clubs above them plus Paris and London.
If you have been convincing yourself for the past 17 years that Fev were somehow singled out and plucked from a mid-table position then I'm afraid you're very wrong. No doubt they were unlucky and the process was hardly ideal, but the choice of the existing teams to go into SL was based purely on league table at the end of the 94/95 season. Featherstone were eleventh in the table and there were ten spots available.
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