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He denies all responsibility for the financial position and says the Harris transfer had nothing to do with it. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... ls_report/
Pity he doesn't mention what happened to the Odsal settlement agreement and how, under his leadership, the club posted £500k losses year on year. |
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He denies all responsibility for the financial position and says the Harris transfer had nothing to do with it. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... ls_report/
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Quote ="Bulliac":2jtsj1ntHe denies all responsibility for the financial position and says the Harris transfer had nothing to do with it. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... ls_report/
Pity he doesn't mention what happened to the Odsal settlement agreement and how, under his leadership, the clubs posted £500k losses year on year.'" :2jtsj1nt
I just posted this on the T&A as my contribution to the debate:
OK, a bit of balance first. I don’t think even the most severe hindsight can in any way detract from Mr. Caisley’s massive driving contribution to creating and sustaining – for as long as it was – what he calls (IMO rightly) the “Bulls Phenomenon”. I suggest also that Mr. Caisley is probably correct in that the club's present predicament cannot all be attributed to the (nevertheless substantial, we understand) payments to Leeds (and of course the lawyers...) re Harrisgate. Indeed, I said as much myself the other day in response to what I felt was (and I said) not the best of articles, since it gave the initial impression that it was all down to the Harris settlement.
I suggest, though, he would (IMO) be on far less solid ground if he argued that the wider effects of Harrisgate had nevertheless not had a pretty devastating effect on the club?
But as for his "...serious departure from the strategy that underpinned what became known as the ‘Bulls phenomenon'", if I was Mr Heppenstall and had the opportunity to pose some questions to Mr. Caisley, I would be asking him things like (top of my head, and far from all-inclusive) expressing very serious concern at what you were clearly concerned were “poor gates”. What were your plans as Chairman (other than your proposal for a “Sky Blackout” to rectify that situation?”
“Enoch Powell once said that all political lives...end in failure. Would you agree that the same can generally be said for the careers of RL club chairmen?”
Considered answers to these sort of questions would, I suggest, go a long well to helping people better understand the club’s present situation? |
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Quote ="Bulliac":2jtsj1ntHe denies all responsibility for the financial position and says the Harris transfer had nothing to do with it. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... ls_report/
Pity he doesn't mention what happened to the Odsal settlement agreement and how, under his leadership, the clubs posted £500k losses year on year.'" :2jtsj1nt
I just posted this on the T&A as my contribution to the debate:
OK, a bit of balance first. I don’t think even the most severe hindsight can in any way detract from Mr. Caisley’s massive driving contribution to creating and sustaining – for as long as it was – what he calls (IMO rightly) the “Bulls Phenomenon”. I suggest also that Mr. Caisley is probably correct in that the club's present predicament cannot all be attributed to the (nevertheless substantial, we understand) payments to Leeds (and of course the lawyers...) re Harrisgate. Indeed, I said as much myself the other day in response to what I felt was (and I said) not the best of articles, since it gave the initial impression that it was all down to the Harris settlement.
I suggest, though, he would (IMO) be on far less solid ground if he argued that the wider effects of Harrisgate had nevertheless not had a pretty devastating effect on the club?
But as for his "...serious departure from the strategy that underpinned what became known as the ‘Bulls phenomenon'", if I was Mr Heppenstall and had the opportunity to pose some questions to Mr. Caisley, I would be asking him things like (top of my head, and far from all-inclusive) expressing very serious concern at what you were clearly concerned were “poor gates”. What were your plans as Chairman (other than your proposal for a “Sky Blackout” to rectify that situation?”
“Enoch Powell once said that all political lives...end in failure. Would you agree that the same can generally be said for the careers of RL club chairmen?”
Considered answers to these sort of questions would, I suggest, go a long well to helping people better understand the club’s present situation? | |
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I just posted this on the T&A as my contribution to the debate:
OK, a bit of balance first. I don’t think even the most severe hindsight can in any way detract from Mr. Caisley’s massive driving contribution to creating and sustaining – for as long as it was – what he calls (IMO rightly) the “Bulls Phenomenon”. I suggest also that Mr. Caisley is probably correct in that the club's present predicament cannot all be attributed to the (nevertheless substantial, we understand) payments to Leeds (and of course the lawyers...) re Harrisgate. Indeed, I said as much myself the other day in response to what I felt was (and I said) not the best of articles, since it gave the initial impression that it was all down to the Harris settlement.
I suggest, though, he would (IMO) be on far less solid ground if he argued that the wider effects of Harrisgate had nevertheless not had a pretty devastating effect on the club?
But as for his "...serious departure from the strategy that underpinned what became known as the ‘Bulls phenomenon'", if I was Mr Heppenstall and had the opportunity to pose some questions to Mr. Caisley, I would be asking him things like (top of my head, and far from all-inclusive):
"After the return to Odsal, and in the latter years of your tenure, the annual accounts show club was spending very considerably more than it was earning. What were your plans to rectifty this before the club ran out of money? (Presuming there were plans?) And could those plans have been executed without "...serious departure from the strategy that underpinned what became known as the ‘Bulls phenomenon'"?
“Do you accept that, under your tenure, the club was spending the Odsal settlement money much much faster than if it was to be used to the period (up to 2019) that it was supposed to be compensating us for additional costs and loss of income for? And that spending the cash “windfall” at that rate was not and could not be sustained”
“At the time you announced your resignation, how much longer in your opinion could the club continue spending at the level it had been spending at? And without selling players?”
“At the time you announced your resignation, did you have any reason to suppose that the club was at risk of insolvency in any way, and if not imminently then potentially if action was not taken? If you DID, what were your plans to address the situation? If you did not, do you have any idea why very severe financial cutbacks were apparently subsequently found to be necessary?”
“In your Chairman's Statement to the 2004 accounts, you prophesised that the performance on the field would suffer (because of the financial implications) unless the people of Bradford turned out and paid up to watch the matches. You said the club had "done its bit" and it was now up to the fans to decide whether they wanted top-flight RL in Bradford. Do you stand by the comments in that Chairman's Statement, where it appeared that you were effectively acknowledging that the financial situation was no longer tenable, and implying it was the fault of the fans?”
“In that same statement, you referred to salary reductions of around £1/4m having already been made. Were these reductions, under your tenure, able to be carried out without them contributing to "...serious departure from the strategy that underpinned what became known as the ‘Bulls phenomenon'"?”
“I suggest it is generally felt that the club did not overall replace the players who left at the end of 2003 with players of similar calibre. Many I speak to point to this as the turning point for the club's fortunes, 2005 notwithstanding. Would you agree with that, and in any case in your opinion did the quality of the squad drop for 2004, and if so why?”
“Are Jamie Peacock's comments attributed to you in his book, regarding why he moved to Leeds, factually correct? “
“When the club signed Harris, how many of and how much content of the "interlocking agreements" that Mr Justice Gray referred to in his Decision had Leeds (or anyone representing them) or Harris (ditto) made you aware of?”
“How was your securing the move (as their manager) of Sam (and then presumably George) Burgess to Souths, for what was clearly from the accounts only modest compensation, not another contributory factor to what you describe "...serious departure from the strategy that underpinned what became known as the ‘Bulls phenomenon'"?”
“What exactly would you have done differently to the subsequent administration? And how would you have paid for it had it involved more money?”
“You were seen by various people at various times [including me expressing very serious concern at what you were clearly concerned were “poor gates”. What were your plans as Chairman (other than your proposal for a “Sky Blackout” to rectify that situation?”
“Enoch Powell once said that all political lives...end in failure. Would you agree that the same can generally be said for the careers of RL club chairmen?”
Considered answers to these sort of questions would, I suggest, go a long well to helping people better understand the club’s present situation?'"
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As so often Adey, just what I would have liked to say. Brilliantly put.
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Pulsator2k7, actually I do not. I am extremely busy.
But I thought that it was worth it for me to take a few minutes out to try and make a meaningful contribution to what is a pretty important debate - since the debate has drawn Mr Caisley out of his bunker for the first time I can remember.
In the interests of those who might find that contribution helpful, rather than those who would just seek to deride it without making any contribution of their own.
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But those are the questions caisley needs to answer. It's much easier to criticise what other peole have done without explaining what he would have done differently. Fully expect chris is now posting on t&a comments under one of his pseudonyms backing contents of his own letter and criticising hood further  |
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Pulsator2k7, actually I do not. I am extremely busy.
But I thought that it was worth it for me to take a few minutes out to try and make a meaningful contribution to what is a pretty important debate - since the debate has drawn Mr Caisley out of his bunker for the first time I can remember.
In the interests of those who might find that contribution helpful, rather than those who would just seek to deride it without making any contribution of their own.'"
But as you are well aware no matter what you put on the T&A site it is that full of idiots they still would not inderstand your input |
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Is it?
I think you do some of them a dis-service. Go read some of the comments!
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Caisley made some fair points though to be fair.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I just posted this on the T&A as my contribution to the debate:
OK, a bit of balance first. I don’t think even the most severe hindsight can in any way detract from Mr. Caisley’s massive driving contribution to creating and sustaining – for as long as it was – what he calls (IMO rightly) the “Bulls Phenomenon”. I suggest also that Mr. Caisley is probably correct in that the club's present predicament cannot all be attributed to the (nevertheless substantial, we understand) payments to Leeds (and of course the lawyers...) re Harrisgate. Indeed, I said as much myself the other day in response to what I felt was (and I said) not the best of articles, since it gave the initial impression that it was all down to the Harris settlement.
I suggest, though, he would (IMO) be on far less solid ground if he argued that the wider effects of Harrisgate had nevertheless not had a pretty devastating effect on the club?
But as for his "...serious departure from the strategy that underpinned what became known as the ‘Bulls phenomenon'", if I was Mr Heppenstall and had the opportunity to pose some questions to Mr. Caisley, I would be asking him things like (top of my head, and far from all-inclusive):
"After the return to Odsal, and in the latter years of your tenure, the annual accounts show club was spending very considerably more than it was earning. What were your plans to rectifty this before the club ran out of money? (Presuming there were plans?) And could those plans have been executed without "...serious departure from the strategy that underpinned what became known as the ‘Bulls phenomenon'"?
“Do you accept that, under your tenure, the club was spending the Odsal settlement money much much faster than if it was to be used to the period (up to 2019) that it was supposed to be compensating us for additional costs and loss of income for? And that spending the cash “windfall” at that rate was not and could not be sustained”
“At the time you announced your resignation, how much longer in your opinion could the club continue spending at the level it had been spending at? And without selling players?”
“At the time you announced your resignation, did you have any reason to suppose that the club was at risk of insolvency in any way, and if not imminently then potentially if action was not taken? If you DID, what were your plans to address the situation? If you did not, do you have any idea why very severe financial cutbacks were apparently subsequently found to be necessary?”
“In your Chairman's Statement to the 2004 accounts, you prophesised that the performance on the field would suffer (because of the financial implications) unless the people of Bradford turned out and paid up to watch the matches. You said the club had "done its bit" and it was now up to the fans to decide whether they wanted top-flight RL in Bradford. Do you stand by the comments in that Chairman's Statement, where it appeared that you were effectively acknowledging that the financial situation was no longer tenable, and implying it was the fault of the fans?”
“In that same statement, you referred to salary reductions of around £1/4m having already been made. Were these reductions, under your tenure, able to be carried out without them contributing to "...serious departure from the strategy that underpinned what became known as the ‘Bulls phenomenon'"?”
“I suggest it is generally felt that the club did not overall replace the players who left at the end of 2003 with players of similar calibre. Many I speak to point to this as the turning point for the club's fortunes, 2005 notwithstanding. Would you agree with that, and in any case in your opinion did the quality of the squad drop for 2004, and if so why?”
“Are Jamie Peacock's comments attributed to you in his book, regarding why he moved to Leeds, factually correct? “
“When the club signed Harris, how many of and how much content of the "interlocking agreements" that Mr Justice Gray referred to in his Decision had Leeds (or anyone representing them) or Harris (ditto) made you aware of?”
“How was your securing the move (as their manager) of Sam (and then presumably George) Burgess to Souths, for what was clearly from the accounts only modest compensation, not another contributory factor to what you describe "...serious departure from the strategy that underpinned what became known as the ‘Bulls phenomenon'"?”
“What exactly would you have done differently to the subsequent administration? And how would you have paid for it had it involved more money?”
“You were seen by various people at various times [including me expressing very serious concern at what you were clearly concerned were “poor gates”. What were your plans as Chairman (other than your proposal for a “Sky Blackout” to rectify that situation?”
“Enoch Powell once said that all political lives...end in failure. Would you agree that the same can generally be said for the careers of RL club chairmen?”
Considered answers to these sort of questions would, I suggest, go a long well to helping people better understand the club’s present situation?'"
Some excellent questions which I'd like to hear the answers to. However, if as you say the transfers of Sam and George only netted modest compensation then surely this reflects on the current board. I accept that Caisley is in a strange and untenable position but the way in which we capitulated to the demands of an 18 year old (George) is embarassing. Whilst overall I support your aim of holding Chris to account and hope (like you I think) this is the opening salvo of a battle which will bring a lot of dirty lined into the open, one cannot escape the validity of his key point - we have spent the salary cap or close to it every year and by the time of Steve Macs departure we were the worst team in the league. In a bizarre way I think the chief criticism of either side by the other is valid. Harrisgate has severely damaged the club and this has been excasserabated by an abysmal recruitment and retention policy.
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interesting to see what the club's (or Hood's) response will now be seeing as Caisley has directly quoted Hood in this letter.
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| M@islebugs: for sure yes, the seriously poor recruitment and retention policy is indeed all too self-evident, and Caisley is of course correct to point out that he was not in charge over these horrid recent years when the consequences hit home.
I think the really key issue - and its one I suspect we'll never really get to the bottom of - is to what extent that has been a consequence of the financial situation bequeathed to the subsequent administration, and to what extent the subsequent administration has been culpable on their own account? For my own part, I think it is a lot of both - as I think you do - although the financial situation must have had a cumulative corrosive effect on just about everything we have tried to do in recent years?
As for "spending the salary cap" - I think people know by now my views on the salary cap - and the aspects of it which IMO can amount to being optional in the right circumstances, should any club be so-minded. And, just as a taster for that: remember that Harris (or his company) was apparently receiving substantial payments from Publico for his image rights. Not from the club. Until the RFL ruled that - for whatever reason - those third-party payments (unlike those to e.g. Scully by Gillette) should count under the cap. And did anyone ever notice that Sam was reported as the new face of Bradford Lexus the day before his extended contract (yeah, right...!  ) was announced...? |
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I think the really key issue - and its one I suspect we'll never really get to the bottom of - is to what extent that has been a consequence of the financial situation bequeathed to the subsequent administration, and to what extent the subsequent administration has been culpable on their own account? For my own part, I think it is a lot of both - as I think you do - although the financial situation must have had a cumulative corrosive effect on just about everything we have tried to do in recent years?'"
Agree with all that. Not sure if why Caisley chose to issue his statement really, bit narcissistic I think. |
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| Quote ="phillgee"interesting to see what the club's (or Hood's) response will now be seeing as Caisley has directly quoted Hood in this letter.'"
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Well said Chris.
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| Well, I was told a rumour shortly after . . . . . . =#FF0000 probably safest
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"Well, I was told a rumour...'"
I left the variant on that that I heard out of what I have said, mindful of the rules on defamation... |
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Agree with all that. Not sure if why Caisley chose to issue his statement really, bit narcissistic I think.'"
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"Well, I was told a rumour shortly =#FF0000. . . . probably best, for all of us, to keep it as "a rumour" . . . . - BP and stop, to a degree, the rot.
IMO, if his letter had been a post on this forum, many would have dismissed it as trolling.'"
There can hardly be a person left in south Bradford who somebody we know hasn't told that precise same tale to along with all that Reading Bullette has just spouted on the T and A message board. |
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No mention of the disastrously costed Odsal deal I note.
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A fair bit of the RB post can be objectively verified or is self-evident though?
As for the variant on the rumour that I heard, it most definitely did not come from Duffy. With any and all due respect to the Duffster, my source was a pretty convincing one.
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| Quote ="aj cougar"No mention of the disastrously costed Odsal deal I note.'"
He's hardly likely to do that! Since in the 2004 Accounts he held the fans (or lack of) as being responsible for the deteriorating financial situation (the one he neglects to mention he was well aware of in his letter, yet expressed serious concern about in the 2004 Accounts in his last Chairman's report before he went...) and its the fans he is now trying to curry favour with.
His letter is highly selective in what he chooses to say and what to omit to say, I suggest?
ps. In "disastrously costed", do I take it you now admit the possibility that it might have been far from the terrible deal for council tax payers that the good burghers of Keighley alleged at the time?  |
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| Quote ="Adeybull"A fair bit of the RB post can be objectively verified or is self-evident though?
As for the variant on the rumour that I heard, it most definitely did not come from Duffy. With any and all due respect to the Duffster, my source was a pretty convincing one.'"
How can the fact we recieved derisory sums for the Burgi be laid at CC's door and not at the door of the club who held their contract? When did CC have us start a season with one thirty odd yr old Aussie half back who didn't want to be here and then blamed not only that years debacle on him but the one after? We've been through this and as well you know we could list the atrocious decisions until tomorrow.
What is annoying in this is a series of people who cannot face up to the fact that between them they have ruined the club. McNamaragate is every bit as damaging as Harrisgate. RB states, 'He is a complete and utter joke and the club would be best served if he kept his bitter mouth shut and let the people who have kept it going for the last five years carry on doing it'. The first part of the sentence might be justified but anyone who has sat through the last 5 years can only pray the second half doesn't come true. |
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| Quote ="Adeybull"“At the time you announced your resignation, how much longer in your opinion could the club continue spending at the level it had been spending at? And without selling players?” '"
This, in my opinion is the most important question from a very good set you posed.
Whilst we can now accept in hindsight we were riding the crest of a wave that seemingly wasn't going to end, did Caisley know the limitations and resign in and around those circumstances? Or did he have as little idea as 90% of people in and around the club.
Quote ="Adeybull"His letter is highly selective in what he chooses to say and what to omit to say, I suggest?'"
I'd be inclined to agree. Like you say, certainly seems he is trying to win over the people he once suggested were at fault, in expense of making the current regime look the villain in all of this, which I find slightly farfetched. |
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, for all of us, to leave that bit as "a rumour" . . . . : - BP 
