Maybe it should have been us offering to go down instead of Crusaders.

Its obvious we've lost confidence and we'll never regain any if we keep getting battered every week.

Personally I'm not looking at 2012 with much optimism......after all how many years have we been rebuilding the team and coming up with the same old rubbish.

Playing against weaker teams could get us a confidence boost and give the fans something to cheer about.

This has to be a windup, surely?

I can understand you being depressed, I feel gutted myself

But its a pointless thread, really. We're in Super League next season, so we're going to have to man up and make the best of it

Three.

thats the easy way out! why would we want to do that!! that is stupid!!

agreed Paul, but we have to man up before that, against KR. this is where we see whether Potter is a motivator and ruthless enough to ensure the want-aways do not demotivate the other players.

Three!

How long have you been watching the Bulls?

Of course I'm not seriously suggesting we play in the Championship but what I'm trying to say is how can we get some confidence back intro the squad.

Its been missing for more than 3 years IMO.

Since 88, first season ticket in 91.

2006 we were eighty minutes from
OT. 2007 was a decent season with a horrible end. 2008 was passable. 2009 was plain weird. 2010 looked promising at the halfway mark, only to combust into a horrorshow. 2011 has to my mind been the worst of the lot, the Huddersfield game being the one game all season where we can say without any reservations that the team played well.

I don't see the point in pretending it's been unrelenting misery since Nobby left. It hasn't.

I'd say the rot really started in 2008 when we first signed a large number of average player in the close season and we've been doing that ever since.

April 06

Absolutely.

That was when the money ran out and the massive cutbacks kicked in to save the club from insolvency.

That was the cause you meant, of course, rather than any single symptom of that cause?

1. No we wouldn't. We can still mix it with the best when we want to just doesn't happen enough.

2. Since we started buying Marcus St Hilare, Matt James and Nathan McAvoy.

3. We will get out of this slump it takes time. Wigan were in the 2003 Grand Final, nearly relegated in 2006. Now Super League champions in 2010. Every team has ups and downs. We just need to be patient.

Wigan have a modern stadium, a larger fanbase, a stronger local player base and a moneybags chairman.

Get a life!!

When did we buy Matt James? Seem to remember he came through our academy.

OK

The day Noble walked out and went to Wigan that was the day it all started to go down hill. It's a bloody big hill too just hope we are near the bottom

Seriously doubt we could exist at championship level purely from a financial point of view so daft question really.

Must be having a laugh about the Championhip but on a serious note, Yes we had the Macca saga and host of average players but now times are changing. Don't forget Micks had one season, which at the start of it there were few players available and we couldn't do much until Orford was sorted. 2012 we can recruit properly and hopefully have more players, I already think Gale and Summit are a big improvement and Lulia sounds like a great signing. 2011 is Potters rebuilding season, 2012 is ours

IMO the rot started in 2007 when Lesley was allowed to walk away it showed the start of the lack of ambition on the clubs part.

Big Les was offered more money to play a less physically taxing sport. He had severe knee problems and would have been earning way too much at the Bulls during a time of financial turmoil.

What were both parties supposed to do? It was the correct decision at the time and still is now.

Close the thread. This is just ridiculous.