IMO six of the top eight are certainties, which are.

Wire
Pies
Shudds
Leeds
Saints
Cas,

Two are no-hopers.

Crusaders
Wakefield

Leaving ourselves fighting it out with,

Dull
KR
Quins
Catalans
Salford

for the top 8.

I realise Wakey had a fine win yesterday but their points deduction will be telling, Quins seem to be going backwards and the Catalans have had a remarkable last couple of results. I firmly believe we will make it due to the inconsisties (like ourselves) of the others but one thing is for sure that it is going to be a very competitive Super League this season.

Us and Dull will complete the 8 for me and as we have seen this season (Catalans winning at Wire and Wigan, Quins at Saints and Leeds, Cas losing only to ourselves, amongst others) that anything could happens at the business end.

Im gunna be brave(stupid)and tip Cas to collapse,fc will come good if Agar goes and Rovers will just get into 7th or 8th.

I agree with everything you say ME in relation to the teams and the clusters they belong in. However, I haven't seen enough from Hull FC at any point this season to suggest they could make the 8. Rovers will complete the 8 with us.

I don't think a Cas collapse is a daft suggestion.

I think injuries ti key personnel (which seem inevitable at every club) will really tell on them.

Look at us pre and post Orford last year.

Everyone seems to be slipping up at the moment, we just need to focus on each game and see where we end up.

Wouldn't disagree with that. Apart from Hudds, Cas haven't played any of the top teams yet. From end of April we play all the other top 6. We'll know then.

We're on course. Had more than our fair share of hard games so far. Nine wins needed to break even and that should do it. Cas collapse v possible, and Brian Mac has had disasters before now...

I honestly think Cas will struggle to make the eight - they've had the most favourable first set of fixtures that anybody could possibly wish for. Let's see how they look when they've played some of the top teams.

They've also got a thin squad. I doubt they could cope with an injury list like we've had

6 home games out of the first 9, with one being at MM too - jeez!

I wrote to the RFL to ask why Cas got the most favourable first set of fixtures that anybody could possibly wish for.

Loving the positivity about Leeds ME! How many points in front of Bradford are we? Hardly the basis for being certs and you not.

We need a good Easter.

So lots of people tipping cas to fail due to there easy? start. They have beaten huddersfield, hull fc, hull kr already teams that were above them last season.Dont be supprised if the likes of Leeds and Wigan get a closer game than you think. As for the injuries cas have a great squad this season the best in years and the youngsters are key at the club. Beware the tigers top 5 place this season.

It's a bit early yet to forcast us fighting it out for the last 2 places, Leeds for example! not such a done deal they are only 1 point above us

What did they say?

Doubtless it sounded like "whooosh..."

Win this lot -->

Crusaders h
Wakey a
Quins a
Catalans h
Hull h
Hull KR h
Salford h
Salford a

Plus one from the other fixtures, and we break even and more likely than not make the eight. Removed Cas and Catalans away from my previous 'should wins'.

You are better than we are though ER.

Cas have a lot of points in the bank already and can cope with the odd loss. They will be fine.

Its a bit too early to be thinking of playoffs, for all we know, we could collapse and fail miserably or our halves end up being crippled and we struggle.

Last years collapse wasn't solely down to Orfords injury McNamara losing interest in the job was more the deciding factor.

I'd say it was a more to Orford's injury as up to that point he'd really been the major creative force in the side. Without him we struggled to produce anything, though I concede that McNamara getting the England job and having 1 eye on the door didn't help matters.

Sorry, it was just a prediction. And a wee discussion point.

Really???? You do realise that IF (yes we might not) but IF we beat Quins and Wakefield we will only need another 4 wins from 17 games to make the playoffs. That is one hell of a collapse! It would make Enron look like a few quid lost down the back of the sofa.

Who's your four most likely wins after those two. Make it six so we know who you'll have to make up against if you drop points unexpectedly.

I'll do your first one for you - Bulls h